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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 2377234)

I am not sure that allowing the joke content of the late night TV hosts is, or even SHOULD be a determining factor.

I'm not saying it's a determining factor, but these folks have a public image that makes the party look like a joke. Even the fact that they didn't know the meaning of a term that everyone over the age of 12 immediately understands makes them look pretty silly. I'm just saying that the party leadership needs to round them up an send them back to the trailer park well before the election. They are doing more harm than good from a PR point of view.

Of course the republicans will pick up some seats in the mid-terms, the opposition party always does. In this case, the primary issue will be the economy. To a much lesser extent, Afghanistan and health care will mobilize some opposition.

It will be good to have two parties again, I hope the republicans actually have something to say this time, they can start by distancing themselves from the neocons and the religious crazies.

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 2377038)

I know you love to laugh off the tea parties. Time will tell if they are for real, or just a flash in the pan. What I have heard from actual participants is VASTLY different from what you believe about the tea parties.

It was a serious question. Do you think these people fall in the category of Goldwater or Karl Rove conservatives? I find their message an incoherent babble of both.

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 2377234)

I am not sure that allowing the joke content of the late night TV hosts is, or even SHOULD be a determining factor.

The more I think about the characterisation of them as "tea baggers", the more I think that smirking comment is part of the problem. I understand that some tea party people referred to themselves as "tea baggers". However, just because they were not up on the latest sexual practices is no reason to bring that to the political arean. Its about the same as calling someone a racist or a Nazi. Its not intended to further the debate. Its intended to end debate.
Furthermore, I find it highly offensive. Would you, or anyone else be permitted to offend any other ethical/racial group in this country?
I think not.

Like I posted above, there is a hugh disconnect regarding the tea party people. The left ignores or laughs at them. However, from the conversations I have had with people who have attended some of these events, there is more resolve to them.
Time will tell. If they succeed in substantially changing the make up of Congress this next election, then who will be laughing?

Dude, there is a now-famous Youtube of some old white lady with numerous tea bags hanging from her hat. I'd call that a 'tea bagger' sexual connotation or not.

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Originally Posted by JollyRoger (Post 2377309)

It was a serious question. Do you think these people fall in the category of Goldwater or Karl Rove conservatives? I find their message an incoherent babble of both.

When I see them on a Constitution day float, with some of them holding signs proclaiming Obama a communist, and on the other side of the float, signing proclaiming him to be a Nazi, (I should have taken pictures, but I saw it), the message is pretty clear to me:

The doctor squeezed the forceps too hard when he pulled them out.

Anecdotes aside ( both yours AND mine), Election 2010 will tell the tale. If they cannot turn their passion into votes, and ultimately into seats in the House and Senate, they will be nothing but a small footnote in history.

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 2377354)

I'm sure the republicans will pick up seats, as always. I suspect these folks will be a hindrance to their cause. I really dislike paying taxes, but I would not be willing to be on the same side of a ballot as these people.

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 2377354)

And nothing will change, the lobbyists and special interests will continue to be the true rulers of this country..

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Originally Posted by Jim B. (Post 2377367)

And nothing will change, the lobbyists and special interests will continue to be the true rulers of this country..

AND the career bureacrats.

I agree, but that is just plane wrong....and WE ALL let it happen.

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 2377234)

I wasn't wild about the 'tea-bagging' smirking by hip cats from the big city either. However, when you look at the over the top use of "Nazi," "fascist," "tyranny," etc. by the sign carrying teabaggers, my concern about them being smirked out fades a bit.

John Oliver, the British member of the Daily Show crew, puts it well when he says that the Brits really knew someting about tyranny and that the current bundle of Obama bashers are devaluing the term. He said something like, "You're calling it tyranny to return the Clinton era tax rates? No my friends, the Brits back in the day would screw your thumbs off for non-paymet of tribute to the Lord of the manor." Now that's tyranny.

Add to that life in a dank dungeon with just enough gruel to keep you alive for a prolonged misery, being broken on the wheel, your wife and family reduced to being sex slaves in some brothel, etc. for the sort of crimes that would land you in bankruptcy proceedings today, under the merciless Obama.

Republicans have lost their minds. Big time.