Originally Posted by JollyRoger

I can not recall one time in my entire life where I called Republican traitors. Misguided greedy self-centered knuckle draggers yes, but calling a fellow countryman a traitor simply because you disagree with his political views, political views that developed over centuries in this country, is a low and cowardly act, an insult of the kind that does not end well at the local bar, and it is unfortunate that you cannot do it to my face.

Originally Posted by Txjake

certain actions by todays prominent democrats are considered traitorous by some of the populace.

Originally Posted by Txjake

your last sentence sounds like a personal threat, perhaps you should edit it...

Originally Posted by Palangi

Yeppers, it kinda does.

It wouldn't be the first time.

Originally Posted by cmac2012

My rule of thumb is to try to not type anything I wouldn't have the stones to say face to face.

Originally Posted by Palangi

You should try following your own rules....

Originally Posted by cmac2012

The quotes are yours. I don't keep a well documented record of everything I've ever read close at hand so I can stay on your good side.

Here's a piece by William F. Jasper, who from what I can gather, is/was a prominent member of the JBS:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1021097/posts

Here's a bit (I guess) verifying his association with the JBS:

http://www.jbs.org/index.php/component/myblog/William-F.-Jasper-Speech-January-23-2009-4393.html

Excerpt from the first link:

A corollary of this myth is that North Vietnamese dictator Ho Chi Minh was an ardent nationalist and only accepted Soviet and Communist Chinese assistance because the United States refused to help him fight the French colonialists.

This is the thesis propounded by, among others, Archimedes Patti, who as a young officer in the OSS (forerunner to the CIA) in the 1940s, was a big booster of Ho. Major Patti remained an ardent fan of "Uncle Ho" decades later. When PBS released its multi-million-dollar, taxpayer-funded propaganda monstrosity entitled Vietnam, A Television History in 1984, Archimedes Patti was one of the "stars" of the production. Patti stated: "Ho Chi Minh was on a silver platter in 1945. We had him. He was leaning not towards the Soviet Union; at the time he told me that the USSR could not assist him, because they just won a war only by dint of real heroism, and they were in no position to help anyone. So really, we had Ho Chi Minh, we had the Viet Minh, we had the Indochina question in our hand."

It was the same pro-Communist disinformation that Patti and other old OSS hands had been retailing for years. The fact is that by 1945, Ho Chi Minh (the best known alias of the man born as Nguyen tat Thanh, in 1890) had already been a committed Communist for two and a half decades. In 1920, he was a founding member of the French Communist Party. In 1922, he was off to Moscow. In 1924, his Kremlin masters sent him to China as translator and assistant to Mikhail Borodin, the Soviets' top agent in the Far East. In China, Ho recruited Vietnamese youth for training under Soviet instructors at the Whampoa Military Academy. Over the next 20 years, Ho helped spread the Communist revolution throughout Asia, traveling to Burma, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Macau, Bangkok, and elsewhere. Authorities throughout the region knew of Ho's criminal and subversive record.

During World War II, Ho and his Communist superiors began fabricating the myth that Ho was a great nationalist ally of the Americans against the Japanese. There is no evidence that he fought the Japanese at all, but abundant evidence that he collaborated with the Japanese, selling out genuine Vietnamese nationalists to the Japanese and the French for gold. This served not only to enrich his coffers but also to eliminate the competition. The American OSS showered him with money, arms, food, equipment, and information even though the agency knew he would use it against the French, our WWII allies.

The OSS, like the CIA which followed, was filled with dupes, leftists, socialists, and even Communists, and Ho was to their liking. With OSS hands like General Philip Gallagher, Colonel Edward Lansdale, George Sheldon, Major Archimedes Patti, and Major William Stevens helping him from one side, and Stalin helping from the other, Ho was in a very strong position to take on the French, who were weakened from the war and were undermined at every turn by the same pro-Communist forces in our State Department and the OSS who were at that very time preparing China for turnover to Mao Zedong.

Originally Posted by cmac2012

linkee please

I've treated you plenty well. Never accused you of murder or treason.

And don't change the subject. Read the links I provided for the good Mr. Billybob and then s'plain to me how I was following Alinsky's rules. Else'n I'm going to lose respect for you.

Oh. Just did a search on your rule #4. Alinsky is not someone I've paid much attention to. Oh well, more static in lieu of substance from my Texarkana buddy.

Originally Posted by JollyRoger

I can not recall one time in my entire life where I called Republican traitors. Misguided greedy self-centered knuckle draggers yes, but calling a fellow countryman a traitor simply because you disagree with his political views, political views that developed over centuries in this country, is a low and cowardly act, an insult of the kind that does not end well at the local bar, and it is unfortunate that you cannot do it to my face.

Originally Posted by Palangi

Actually, I think Truman might well have been our best president. Democrats were actual patriotic Americans in those days, unlike now.

Originally Posted by JollyRoger

I can not recall one time in my entire life where I called Republican traitors.

Originally Posted by KirkVining

What those liberals will do! Like expose a CIA agent, for example. Oops, sorry, my mistake, thats some right wing traitor who'd sell his country down the river. He still works for Bush.

Originally Posted by KirkVining

Bush wants to "legitimize" illegals that are here. Wouldn't the proper way to legimatize them be to annex Mexico? We are creating majorities in California, Arizona and Texas that have no rights here and very little in there own country. Aren't we selling out our own principles? How can we bring democracy to Iraqis, yet deny it to millions who live here among us? Why is "legitimizing" these people only something we want to do in only an economic sense?

My position is this - it should be a Class A Felony for employers to hire these people. To hell with trying to arrest the illegals - they are committing no crime in doing what any man would do to feed a hungry family. Arresting these people is no different than arresting a starving man for stealing a loaf of bread. The real criminals are the scheming greedy capitalist traitors who would sell out their own country by turning it over to an invasion by an army that has invaded us without guns. Like most filthy scumbag traitors they do it so they can make a buck. They belong in prison. There is no greater indictment of why turning this country over to corporations is the thing we are all going to regret, because these crooks that hire aliens seek nothing less than making treason legal. They should be locked up. If this was the law, then the illegals would be forced to stay in Mexico to solve their own problems.

We tax these people, in fact in the case of Social Security taxes we confiscate their income, thereby denying the most basic, most founding principle of this country - no taxation without representation. Bush chooses to side with the corporate criminals who sell out the jobs of Americans so we can continue to be craven hypocrites and screw these people, deny them the vote and treat them as a slave class, while our leaders allow us to be invaded in an invasion where no battles are fought, but that in the end gives us the same result as if the Japanese had successfully invaded America. To me, Bush violates his oath to perserve and protect the United States by supporting this treason.

As far as them being here to do the jobs nobody wants - we said that in Texas years ago and got to find out the hard way that there are plenty of skilled tradesmen and professional people in Mexico. These people have decimated what was once a backbone of the middle class here - high paying construction and maintenance jobs like carpenters, electicians and plumbers are gone now. Your job could be next. Why do none dare to call it treason?

We should make a choice - either make them part of our democracy where they have the same rights as everyone else, or keep them out in the way guaranteed to accomplish it - by meteing out heavy penalities for hiring them. To do anything else makes us all guilty of selling out our most basic principles.

Originally Posted by KirkVining

Actually, this thread is a test of how far our good behavior can go. Let's see, I've used "traitor", "treason", did I use "kook" yet? I know I've refrained from "Hitler".