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Old 02-01-2010, 04:58 PM
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Probably behind the wall between the sink and the clean out port. You should be able run a snake in thru the trap and then see it at the clean out port if they are on the same line and they probably are.
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Visit your local tool rental store and see if they have what is called a Kinetic Water Ram. It is an air cylinder that can be pumped up or charged from an air compressor that then administers a charge of air to the drain, which should be full of water. It creates a movement of the water column which is analagous to hitting the obstruction with a hammer. Only 10% of the force is exerted on the wall of the pipes. Be sure to follow all the instructions!
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Air or water pressure on the blockage will only work if the blockage is upstream of the vent. If it is downstream of the vent, all the pressure will go up the vent and not against the clog.
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Old 02-01-2010, 04:55 PM
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Underground.
If you have a crawl space, you can see where things, all drains, come together. The clean out port is quite a handy opening to clean out the sewer to your house. I lived in a house where you had to dig down to the connection to run an auger.
This is between the house and street.
The kitchen drain and all the other drains connect to a single sewer drain and must be lower in elevation. All drains have a vent too. Newer homes have a single vent through the roof, they connect in the attic. Older homes have one at every drain, kitchen, bath, washer.
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Old 02-01-2010, 09:01 PM
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I trick or treated the neighbors for an auger and they all said to use the device toomany MBZ suggested.

I'm trying to estimate the backflow from such a device so I can be ready for it. What used to be a backyard is now a covered patio The cleanout branch is a simple tee into the drain pipe. It's not angled to facilitate pressure cleaning. What's to keep the pressure from blowing out the kitchen drain which tees in above the cleanout port (thanks, Kerry) and up the vent?

There's no basement or crawl space. The house sits on a slab.

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Old 02-01-2010, 09:16 PM
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Home Depot sells a Zep product that is a mixture of lye (sodium hydroxide) and bleach (sodium hypochlorite). It's worked on my wife's bathroom sink many times. I usually try chemicals before mechanical stuff...
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:22 PM
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On slab, after potato peelings run through the garbage disposal clogged my drain, downline of the cleanout access - I took the drain apart under the kitchen sink and proceeded to stick my high water pressure gardeen hose in a foot or so, then sealed around it best I could. I turned it on full blast, and after 30 seconds water was shooting out of the gas vent on the roof! What a sight! I called in the professional at that point, and haven't tried running potato peeling down the disposal - ever again. Shrimp shells can stop up your pipes too, btw.
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Old 02-01-2010, 09:17 PM
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I've heard of people forcing compressed air through the vent pipe; just be sure to cover the sink drains with a rag or else a mess will very likely blow out of the drain...
Also take care not to use mechanical methods with any amount of drain cleaners stuck in the drain...
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Old 02-01-2010, 10:53 PM
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I sent 25 feet of 1/4" auger down the cleanout port. There were some sticky spots but nothing a little back and forth didn't push through. The d@mn right angle at the cleanout port prevents me from fitting a pressure bladder. I guess I'll call a plumber in the morning

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Is there water from the sink running by the clean out port? Sometimes the plug is just accumulated sludgy goo that is not felt as a 'plug' by the snake. But the snake loosens the goo and the hot water drives it downstream to a larger pipe.
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:31 PM
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I can see what drains from the kitchen sink flow down the cleanout port. I'm convinced the line is clear from the sink to that point.

The last thing to go down the kitchen sink before the clog was two oranges worth of peels through the garbage disposer.

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Old 02-01-2010, 11:37 PM
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I wonder if a plunger would help...
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:40 PM
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Is the water backing up to the cleanout port? How close is the sink to a large main line? Sometimes kitchen sinks can be a ways away from a larger pipe. If you can see where the sink drain empties into a larger main line or make an educated guess and measure this distance, that's the distance your snake needs to go into the pipe since it's unlikely that main line is clogged.
If your clog was the goo I mentioned and the snake has gone thru it, it is sometimes necessary to fill the sink with very hot water to get the pressure necessary to push that sludge down the sink line to the main drain.

By the way, this kind of problem is why I remove garbage disposals every chance I get. That, and the fact that it seems irrational to me to grind up food, put it in the water, only to have the wastewater plant remove it.
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:41 PM
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It didn't

I considered a plunger with a CO2 cartridge but I've spent enough on false hope.

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Old 02-01-2010, 11:50 PM
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The cleanout port is along the vent line. The kitchen sink feeds just above the cleanout port from 2-3 feet away. There's no plumbing above the kitchen.

As water runs in the kitchen sink, I see it flush down the cleanout port. Then it backs up and overflows. I didn't take a precise measurement but it recedes in the inches per minute range.

I don't know the plumbing is laid out under the floor. None of the other drains in the house are backed up. Either the clog is upstream of where this line meets the city pipe or there are multiple routes to the city line.

With the advances in nanobot technology, you'd think drain clearing millibots would be available at Harbor Freight.

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