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MS Fowler · #**151** 03-04-2010, 06:58 AM

Obama's use of doctors, and nurses is not a "prop", but displaying the immense size of the HC legislation is a prop. I see.

450slcguy · #**152** 03-04-2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

Tonight, Barack Obama will host who voted against the health care bill in November at the White House; he's obviously trying to persuade them to switch their votes to yes. One of the ten is Jim Matheson of Utah. The White House just sent out a press release announcing that today President Obama nominated Matheson's brother Scott M. Matheson, Jr. to the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit.[INDENT]“Scott Matheson is a distinguished candidate for the Tenth Circuit court,” President Obama said. “Both his legal and academic credentials are impressive and his commitment to judicial integrity is unwavering. I am honored to nominate this lifelong Utahn to the federal bench.”
Scott M. Matheson, Jr.: Nominee for the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit
Scott M. Matheson currently holds the Hugh B. Brown Presidential Endowed Chair at the S.J. Quinney College of Law, University of Utah, where he has been a member of the faculty since 1985. He served as Dean of the Law School from 1998 to 2006. He also taught First Amendment Law at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government from 1989 to 1990.

While on public service leave from the University of Utah from 1993 to 1997, Matheson served as United States Attorney for the District of Utah. In 2007, he was appointed by Governor Jon Huntsman to chair the Utah Mine Safety Commission. He also worked as a Deputy County Attorney for Salt Lake County from 1988 to 1989. Prior to joining the University faculty, Matheson was an associate attorney from 1981 to 1985 at Williams & Connolly LLP in Washington, D.C.
Matheson was born and raised in Utah and is a sixth generation Utahn. He received an A.B. from Stanford University in 1975, an M.A. from Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar, and a J.D. from Yale Law School in 1980.
So, Scott Matheson appears to have the credentials to be a judge, but was his nomination used to buy off his brother's vote?

He doesn't appear to have the qualifications, he has the credentials and they are quite impressive. If you want to make an inference of foul play, I suggest you research the other candidates qualifications and explain how Obama's choice was politically motivated. Other than that, you got nothing.

daveuz · #**153** 03-04-2010, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

Obama names brother of undecided House Dem to Appeals Court.

BY John McCormack

March 3, 2010 6:15 PM

Tonight, Barack Obama will host ten House Democrats who voted against the health care bill in November at the White House; he's obviously trying to persuade them to switch their votes to yes.

I thought you said Healthcare Reform was DOA ??

Skid Row Joe · #**154** 03-04-2010, 03:51 PM

By ERICA WERNER, Associated Press Writer Erica Werner, Associated Press Writer – Thu Mar 4

WASHINGTON (AP) — A congressman who has played a key role in the long-running health care bill debate says he and 11 other Democrats will vote against the overhaul bill unless a provision subsidizing abortion is removed.

Rep. Bart Stupak argued Thursday that the provision in the Senate-passed version has language that would permit the federal government to "directly subsidize abortions."

The Michigan Democrat said he supports health care change, but he said several Democrats who voted for it the House would oppose it next time around in the absence of change. Stupak told CBS's "The Early Show" that "we're not going to bypass some principles that we believe strongly about." The administration argues that Obama's bill would retain existing restrictions on federally-financed abortions.

daveuz · #**155** 03-04-2010, 04:06 PM

Representative Nathan Deal, a Georgia Republican, will resign from the House next week, a move that likely gives the Democrats a little extra breathing room as they try to pass legislation overhauling the health care system.
Mr. Deal had already announced that he was running for governor in 2010 and would not be running for re-election to the House. But with Mr. Deal stepping down before his term expires, House Democrats now have to deal with one fewer opponent to their health care legislation.
Mr. Deal, who was first elected to the House in 1992, made his announcement this morning in his district. “I firmly believe that now is the season for me to devote my full energies to the campaign for governor,” Mr. Deal, who will leave Congress on March 8, said in his prepared remarks.

His coming exit looks to make the math easier for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who faces the difficult task of lining up enough votes to push another health care measure through the House.
Mr. Deal’s departure will leave 431 members in the House, meaning Democrats would, for the time being at least, presumably need 216 votes to pass their health care bill.

MS Fowler · #**156** 03-04-2010, 05:35 PM

You know how you can tell if they have the votes?
They will vote!

As long as Pelosi says she "thinks" they have the votes, she is lying. as soon as they do have the votes they will pass something.

We should turn this into a drinking game. Every time Pelosi says she has the votes, but does not schedule a real vote, take a shot, or a glass of beer.

Oh, wait, that won't work. Everyone would be continually drunk, and we'd all lose our jobs.

daveuz · #**157** 03-04-2010, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

You know how you can tell if they have the votes?
They will vote!

As long as Pelosi says she "thinks" they have the votes, she is lying. as soon as they do have the votes they will pass something.

We should turn this into a drinking game. Every time Pelosi says she has the votes, but does not schedule a real vote, take a shot, or a glass of beer.

Oh, wait, that won't work. Everyone would be continually drunk, and we'd all lose our jobs.

That would be copying the existing drinking game where Republicans take a drink before they claim that healthcare reform is "DOA". Too bad they wasted so much time with nonsense like "death panels" then actually work for the voters.

AustinsCE · #**158** 03-04-2010, 05:46 PM

I'll drink every time some slave on one side volleys the "blame" across the net. I'll be drunker than any of y'all.

Skid Row Joe · #**159** 03-04-2010, 06:07 PM

Howard Dean: Health bill hangs Dem incumbents and Obama out to dry in elections

By Michael O'Brien - 03/04/10 11:22 AM ET

Passing the healthcare proposals before Congress will "hang out to dry" every Democratic incumbent running for reelection this fall, Howard Dean said Thursday.

Dean, a physician by training who's a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), said that Democrats in Congress -- and President Barack Obama -- would do themselves more harm than good by passing the current healthcare bill.

"The plan, as it comes from the Senate, hangs out every Democrat who's running for office to dry -- including the president, in 2012, because it makes him defend a plan that isn't in effect essentially yet," Dean said during an appearance on the liberal Bill Press Radio Show.

Dean, who has clashed publicly with the White House over the healthcare proposals favored by the administration, said that by passing the bills under consideration, Democrats would essentially be conceding defeat to Republicans.

"It's easy to campaign on repealing something if no one knows what the something is," Dean said. "And fundamentally people don't understand what the president's healthcare plan is."

"And if it passes next week and get's signed into law the week after, we're not going to be able to explain it to people over the din of Fox News and the Republicans," the former Democratic party chairman added.

Dean said that the only solution to correct the bill was to offer a buy-in to Medicare for consumers, which had once been proposed in the Senate, but was ditched by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) as unable to win enough votes to pass.

"The president needs a win here," Dean said.

Skid Row Joe · #**160** 03-04-2010, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

You know how you can tell if they have the votes?
They will vote!

As long as Pelosi says she "thinks" they have the votes, she is lying. as soon as they do have the votes they will pass something.

We should turn this into a drinking game. Every time Pelosi says she has the votes, but does not schedule a real vote, take a shot, or a glass of beer.

Oh, wait, that won't work. Everyone would be continually drunk, and we'd all lose our jobs.

Exactly.......just talk 'n bluster from her...

soothappens · #**161** 03-05-2010, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

Howard Dean: Health bill hangs Dem incumbents and Obama out to dry in elections

By Michael O'Brien - 03/04/10 11:22 AM ET

Passing the healthcare proposals before Congress will "hang out to dry" every Democratic incumbent running for reelection this fall, Howard Dean said Thursday.

Dean, a physician by training who's a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), said that Democrats in Congress -- and President Barack Obama -- would do themselves more harm than good by passing the current healthcare bill.

"The plan, as it comes from the Senate, hangs out every Democrat who's running for office to dry -- including the president, in 2012, because it makes him defend a plan that isn't in effect essentially yet," Dean said during an appearance on the liberal Bill Press Radio Show.

Dean, who has clashed publicly with the White House over the healthcare proposals favored by the administration, said that by passing the bills under consideration, Democrats would essentially be conceding defeat to Republicans.

"It's easy to campaign on repealing something if no one knows what the something is," Dean said. "And fundamentally people don't understand what the president's healthcare plan is."

"And if it passes next week and get's signed into law the week after, we're not going to be able to explain it to people over the din of Fox News and the Republicans," the former Democratic party chairman added.

Dean said that the only solution to correct the bill was to offer a buy-in to Medicare for consumers, which had once been proposed in the Senate, but was ditched by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) as unable to win enough votes to pass.

"The president needs a win here," Dean said.

So that was what the......may not be the politically correct thing to do statement was all about.
I was just mesmerized by all the white coated secret serv...... I mean doctors all around the room. Its Starting to look like the flags covering the stage after 9/11.

First go against the will of the people. Then make them all out to be morons !

Doctors = white coats

lots of doctors = lots of support for health care

They're pulling the handle on the gallows all by themselves !

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MS Fowler · #**162** 03-05-2010, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by soothappens

So that was what the......may not be the politically correct thing to do statement was all about.
I was just mesmerized by all the white coated secret serv...... I mean doctors all around the room. Its Starting to look like the flags covering the stage after 9/11.

First go against the will of the people. Then make them all out to be morons !

Doctors = white coats

lots of doctors = lots of support for health care

They're pulling the handle on the gallows all by themselves !

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And yet, it is the Republicans who have earned the motto, " The Stupid Party"!
Somehow, it must be Karl Rove's evil genius here at work.

RichC · #**163** 03-05-2010, 06:22 AM

I have learned something.

You cannot teach a blind man to see.

Either he sees or he is blind, there is no middle ground for him.

soothappens · #**164** 03-05-2010, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

I have learned something.

You cannot teach a blind man to see.

Either he sees or he is blind, there is no middle ground for him.

Thats visually challenged if where being politically correct here.

Even some blind can see shadows it just depends on the lighting . While the less informed are amazed simply by the smoke and mirrors .

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MS Fowler · #**165** 03-05-2010, 08:48 AM

It seems to me that the biggest HC problem is the rising costs. The price of everything os going up; has been for years. But where are the concepts/ procedures/ regulations that will cause costs to stop their upward spiral?
If the government cannot halt the upward cost trend, then this HC Bill ( whatever it actually is) will not control costs.

Yeah, the "pie-in-the-sky sure looks good, but what does it cost?

I suppose that means I am blind, since I do not see the same as Rich.