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Old 03-21-2010, 12:40 AM
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Federal Mandated Health Insurance already exists.

it is called Medicaid.

here's a little history on how the first federally mandated health coverage
program came to be.......

http://www.larrydewitt.net/Essays/MedicareDaddy.htm

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Old 03-21-2010, 12:57 AM
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it is called Medicaid.
Or is it Medicare? The two are different.
Contributing to Medicare is required, participation is voluntary.
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Old 03-21-2010, 04:54 AM
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it is called Medicaid.

here's a little history on how the first federally mandated health coverage
program came to be.......

http://www.larrydewitt.net/Essays/MedicareDaddy.htm
That was an interesting read, thanks.

Of my father's generation, many of my older relatives and his friends still view LBJ as the devil incarnate for his role in the Vietnam War. And they view him as being responsible for ruining the economy and causing the inflation of the late 60's/early 70's by trying to pay for the Vietnam War AND his Great Society initiatives at the same time - Welfare in particular being spoken of in villainous terms.

On the face of it, sounds not unlike what GW and the R's pulled for 8 years - trying to pay for 2 wars, massive spending increases, the Medicare Prescription Drug "doughnut hole", and borrowing out the wazoo to pay for it.

These 3 programs - Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security - and the way the government has administered them - and ran them trillions of dollars into the red with unfunded liabilities - Social Security itself has $2.5 trillion in IOU bonds from the federal government, and arguably has been one of the better ran government programs - is one of, if not THE main reason (at least in my case), that many people have heartburn with the current HC bill.

Given the track record of BOTH parties over the past 50 years, can you honestly blame anyone for being skeptical as to what's actually in this bill, that it's actually going to work, or even come close to the cost that's being quoted? I'd give it 2 chances - slim and none.

FYI, as far as Social Security, for the past 20 years I've been basing my retirement plans on the premise that SS is NOT going to be there when I'm of retirement age in another 15 to 20 years - beginning to look as if that was a wise decision, based on their balance sheets.
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Old 03-21-2010, 08:42 AM
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SSN, Medicaire and Medicaid are similar to the "no child left behind" ideology.
government is here to provide a safety net for you downers and outers.
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Old 03-21-2010, 10:22 AM
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it is called Medicaid.

If you want to troll around with a new thread, the least you could do was to get your facts correct.
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Old 03-21-2010, 10:27 AM
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If you want to troll around with a new thread, the least you could do was to get your facts correct.
because there is a plethora of federal and state benefits, i.e., SSI, SSA, Medicare, Medicaid, FUTA, Food Stamps and NUMEROUS other "womb to the tomb" uncle sugar supplied "bennies", I deliberately listed only one to start the thread. there is MUCH more to this discussion that I have not posted here. the following statement by a former United States Congressman sums it up best:

"He whose bread I eat, his song I must sing".

and so it is.....

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Old 03-21-2010, 10:36 AM
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because there is a plethora of federal and state benefits, i.e., SSI, SSA, Medicare, Medicaid, FUTA, Food Stamps and NUMEROUS other "womb to the tomb" uncle sugar supplied "bennies", I deliberately listed only one to start the thread. there is MUCH more to this discussion that I have not posted here. although, the following statement by a former United States conressman sums it up best:

"He whose bread I eat, his song I must sing".

and so it is.....
I understand the intent of the thread. However, there is a fundamental difference between Medicare and Medicaid............and you should understand the distinction before charging forward.

Each has it's own benefits and pitfalls.........and each is a separate discussion.

Unless, of course, you just want to rail against the government. If so, I'd strongly advise you not to do it on here.........as several departed members have unfortunately found out.
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Old 03-21-2010, 10:53 AM
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I understand the intent of the thread. However, there is a fundamental difference between Medicare and Medicaid............and you should understand the distinction before charging forward.

Each has it's own benefits and pitfalls.........and each is a separate discussion.

Unless, of course, you just want to rail against the government. If so, I'd strongly advise you not to do it on here.........as several departed members have unfortunately found out.

I am going to take that as a policy mandate by the moderator to not make posts that are critical of the government in anyway whatsoever. please
clarify for me that this is forum policy and I will remove any and all posts
that I have made that might or could be considered "critical". AND,
if this is forum policy, it would appear that other forum members should
do the same.
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Old 03-21-2010, 11:01 AM
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I am going to take that as a policy mandate by the moderator to not make posts that are critical of the government in anyway whatsoever. please
clarify for me that this is forum policy and I will remove any and all posts
that I have made that might or could be considered "critical". AND,
if this is forum policy, it would appear that other forum members should
do the same.
You can be critical of the government if your posts are with the intent of discussion.

But, what purpose does it serve in "open discussion" to simply rail about how terrible the government is and what a miserable job they are doing. Here's a tidbit.........we all have those feelings at certain points in time........and there is nothing we can do about it short of moving to France.

Therefore, it serves no purpose on here.

No need to remove any previous posts. Just be cognizant that the forum exists for discussion..........not for ranting.
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Old 03-21-2010, 11:32 AM
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will do. my point is this: if someone participates in the receipt of a
benefit, then an obligation is incurred. for instance, if someone
borrows money from a bank to buy a home, the borrower owes the bank.
the bank now has a vested interest in both the borrower and the real estate.
the borrower has eaten the bank's bread, therefore the borrower best
sing the bank's song (pay the bank).

government benefits are there for the taking, but they are never "free". nothing in this life is "free".

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Old 03-21-2010, 11:35 AM
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government benefits are there for the taking, but they are never "free". nothing in this life is "free".
Naturally.

Some government benefits are clearly there for the "taking". This would apply to "Medicaid".

Some government benefits are there to payback the money that you already paid in. This would apply to "Medicare".

There is a world of difference between the two. I'm more than pleased with the latter..........not so happy about the former.
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Old 03-21-2010, 02:43 PM
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But, what purpose does it serve in "open discussion" to simply rail about how terrible the government is and what a miserable job they are doing. Here's a tidbit.........we all have those feelings at certain points in time........and there is nothing we can do about it short of moving to France.
So you admit the government is tyrannical then? There's no changing so just bend over? At least don't insult others' intelligence by pretending the things it does are somehow beneficial from now on, mmmk? Not everyone has to be in denial regarding the nature of the beast. It sounds like the only one with nothing to discuss is you.
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Old 03-21-2010, 05:12 PM
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So you admit the government is tyrannical then? There's no changing so just bend over? At least don't insult others' intelligence by pretending the things it does are somehow beneficial from now on, mmmk? Not everyone has to be in denial regarding the nature of the beast. It sounds like the only one with nothing to discuss is you.
Strawman alert. Sorry, you'll get no response from me.
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Old 03-21-2010, 05:23 PM
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Again, for reference.
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and there is nothing we can do about it
It's only a strawman, if the English language has changed and that doesn't mean exactly what it looks like. I'll just take it as a not so nice way of letting everyone know you're simply another member of the government-loving cult. Probably on the take. They've announced, openly, employing trolls on message boards to propagandize. That at least provides a viable explanation. And since you won't respond we can all just assume that is the plan being put into play by our caring masters.
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Old 03-21-2010, 06:51 PM
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You can be critical of the government if your posts are with the intent of discussion.

But, what purpose does it serve in "open discussion" to simply rail about how terrible the government is and what a miserable job they are doing. Here's a tidbit.........we all have those feelings at certain points in time........and there is nothing we can do about it short of moving to France.
I must retort. Yes, I know that this is a private forum, and therefore subject to rules. But your statement that there is nothing we can do, except move, is fallacious. The political process in our constitution gives us ways to correct the miserable job the government is doing. When people rant on here regarding the alleged failings of the government, they are simply crying out in the darkness to see if anyone else feels the same way. Also, I did not see this anti-rant vitriol applied when the previous administration was in place.

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