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Old 04-11-2010, 11:32 AM
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The more things change--the more they remain the same....

I was going to excerpt parts of this speech to try and disguise its source, but its too good for that.
The 1964 RRR made what has been called " The Speech".
You can find it here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt1fYSAChxs, or the text, here:http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1964reagan1.html

In this short address RRR defines America, and the threat to it by liberalism, or progressivism. He identifies the Marxist foundations of the modern democrat party back into the 1930s. He identifies the problem of allowing a few people in Washington decide on solutions to personal problems--the cost of allowing government to "take care of us".

This is probably a "divisive" speech; I expect some emotional, hot rhetoric in response to this post. Nevertheless, there is great truth in what he said in 1964. The numbers he quotes have not improved. If government were truly the way to eradicate poverty, it would have been done decades ago.

Even if you disagree with every fiber in your being, you still need to listen to this speech.

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When Reagan assumed office the National Debt was 33.4% of the GDP. When he left the ND was 51.9% of the GDP, an increase of 55.4%.
Reagan was the first president since WWll to increase the ND/GDP.

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ronald reagan was a lowbrow puppet of rich men, like lew wasserman and justin dart, and one large corporation, general electric - which was busy polluting rivers with pcbs, among other things, in 1964. he also traded arms for hostages, illegally supported the contras, relied - with his wife - on an astrologer, increased the size of government, doubled the national debt, deregulated the banks (think s & l debacle) etc. but don't let pesky facts stand in the way of keeping the myth alive.
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Old 04-11-2010, 01:17 PM
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...but the man really knew how to read a script.
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Old 04-11-2010, 01:22 PM
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...but the man really knew how to read a script.

...really knew how to read a teleprompter.
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In this short address RRR defines America, and the threat to it by liberalism, or progressivism. He identifies the Marxist foundations of the modern democrat party back into the 1930s. He identifies the problem of allowing a few people in Washington decide on solutions to personal problems--the cost of allowing government to "take care of us".
Here we go again. Your extremely biased and erroneous vision of the Democratic party shows through yet again.

Go back in history and check out the administrations of Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and GW Bush if you'd like to see some inflation and/or severe deficit spending.

It's really unfortunate that you're blind to the fact that the Repos are the worst transgressors............claim "conservative" but spend frivolously every chance they get.
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Old 04-11-2010, 03:34 PM
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Here we go again. Your extremely biased and erroneous vision of the Democratic party shows through yet again.

Go back in history and check out the administrations of Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and GW Bush if you'd like to see some inflation and/or severe deficit spending.

It's really unfortunate that you're blind to the fact that the Repos are the worst transgressors............claim "conservative" but spend frivolously every chance they get.
Definitely gotta agree here. I'm still looking for the answer on how spending more than you generate is a good business model, parties aside.
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Shouldn't that be RWR?
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Old 04-11-2010, 05:30 PM
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Ronnie gave this speech on Oct. 27th, 1964. Six days later the Presidential election was held and Johnson defeated Goldwater by receiving 61.1% of the vote.

Goldwater was running on a platform of 'We got Nukes!' and insisted he was the guy that knew how to use them. He also wanted to get rid of Social Security.

"The Speech" was quickily seen at the time as a last ditch effort to save Goldwater's chances of election. Reagan gave it only six days before the election so Johnson's would not have time to respond to it, and a majority of people at the time saw it as nothing but a lot of twisted facts and distortions that would not relly make Goldwater look good but would put doubt in people's minds about Johnson.

Reagan was also paid quite well for giving this speech at a Goldwater rally and this fact did not help his crediblity.

This speech is played today as something of a revelation of just how smart Reagan was, but the speech was written for him by a Republican speechwriter. He just delivered it and first saw it the day he gave it.

The 'facts' in the speech are another major problem. At the time most people recoginized them as just being made up and/or not relevant. I remember one line in it that got a big horse laugh was the part about people paying taxes at a 90% rate or something like that. Yes, that rate existed, but no one in the US paid that rate. No one. Goldwater's problem was that people knew this.

I don't have the time to take this speech apart, but I do remember that it made a lot of people want to vote for Johnson. The image it left in peoples minds was that Goldwater would tell any lie to get elected.

To quote Newt Gingrich, "That stratgy failed."

One thing that also came up at this time was the fact that Goldwater was not a 'Natural Born US Citizen'. Neither he nor his parents were born in the US. I don't remember where his parents were from, but he was born in the Arizona Territory. At the time this was something no one took seriously; it was only discussed as a weird twist of legal language and a few jokes about his age.
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"Ever notice we live in a world where good men are murdered and mediocre hacks thrive? John Kennedy murdered, Gandhi murdered. Martin Luther King murdered. Jesus murdered. Reagan... wounded."—Bill Hicks

"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." Reagan '81
"A tree is a tree. How many more do you have to look at?"
Reagan '66, opposing expansion of Redwood National Park
"I have flown twice over Mt St Helens out on our west coast. I'm not a scientist and I don't know the figures, but I have a suspicion that that one little mountain has probably released more sulphur dioxide into the atmosphere of the world than has been released in the last ten years of automobile driving or things of that kind that people are so concerned about." Reagan '80. Actually, Mount St. Helens, at its peak activity, emitted about 2,000 tons of sulphur dioxide per day, compared with 81,000 tons per day by cars.
Some other good (so to speak) Reagan quotes
"Facts are stupid things." '88 (slight misquote of John Adams, 'Facts are stubborn things.')
"We think there is a parallel between federal involvement in education and the decline in profit over recent years." '83
"Fascism was really the basis for the New Deal." '76
Here is what Reagan said according to Political Babble by David Olive:
"The American Petroleum Institute filed suit against the EPA [and] charged that the agency was suppressing a scientific study for fear it might be misinterpreted... The suppressed study reveals that 80 percent of air pollution comes not from chimneys and auto exhaust pipes, but from plants and trees." Presidential candidate Ronald Reagan, in 1979. There is no scientific data to support this assertion

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Distributed to Newspapers on Monday, June 7, 2004 by Knight-Ridder/Tribune Information Services
Ronald Reagan's Legacy
by Mark Weisbrot

Ronald Reagan was a man who fought for what he believed in, and he changed the world more than probably any American in the twentieth century. He changed not only the conservative movement, the Republican party, his country and the world -- but also his opponents, known as liberals. As a result of his achievements, the typical liberal Member of Congress today sits to the right of Richard Nixon on a number of economic issues, including tax policy.
The Great Communicator, as he was called, was capable of charming millions of Americans with his soothing, grandfatherly demeanor. In 1984 there were polls indicating that most of those who voted to re-elect him disagreed with him on the issues. In short, the "Reagan revolution" would probably never have happened without his unrivalled leadership skills.
His death has unleashed a torrent of commentary on the significance of this revolution, and so it is important to set the record straight. His economic policies were mostly a failure. Partly this was because he had promised something arithmetically impossible: to increase military spending, cut taxes, and balance the budget. He kept the first two promises, delivering the largest peacetime military build-up in American history, and cutting taxes massively, mostly for upper-income households.
But budget deficits soared to record heights. The national debt doubled, as a percentage of the economy, before Mr. Reagan's successors were able to bring it under control. This "military Keynesianism" did pull the economy out of the 1982 recession, but the 1980s still chalked up the slowest growth of any decade in the post-World War II era. And income was redistributed to the wealthy as never before: during the 1980s, most of the country's income gains went to the top 1 or 2 percent of households.
Mr. Reagan also helped redistribute American income and wealth with a bold assault on American labor. In 1981 he summarily fired 12,000 air traffic controllers who went on strike for better working conditions. This ushered in a new and dark era of labor relations, with employers now free to "permanently replace" striking workers. The median real wage failed to grow during the decade of the 1980s.
The Reagan revolution caused even more economic damage internationally, for example by changing policy at the International Monetary Fund and World Bank. Thus began the era of "structural adjustment" -- a set of economic policies that has become so discredited worldwide that the IMF and World Bank no longer use the term. The 1980s became "the lost decade" for Latin America, the region most affected by Washington's foreign economic policy. Income per person actually shrank for the decade, a rare historical event, and the region has yet to come close to its pre-1980s growth rates.
Mr. Reagan is often credited with having caused the collapse of the Soviet Union, but this is doubtful. He did use the Cold War as a pretext for other interventions, including funding and support for horrific violence against the civilian population of Central America. In 1999 the United Nations determined that the massacres of tens of thousands of Guatemalans, mostly indigenous people, constituted "genocide." These massacres -- often involving grotesque torture -- reached their peak under the rule of Mr. Reagan's ally, the Guatemalan General Rios Montt. Tens of thousands of Salvadorans were also murdered during Mr. Reagan's presidency by death squads affiliated with the U.S.-funded Salvadoran military.
But it was Mr. Reagan's efforts to overthrow the government -- democratically elected in 1984 -- of poor, underdeveloped Nicaragua that almost brought down his presidency. Congress cut off aid to Mr. Reagan's proxy army, the Contras, as a result of pressure from Americans -- led by religious groups -- who were disgusted by the Contras' tactics of murdering unarmed teachers and health care workers.
The Reagan administration continued to run the war from the basement of the White House, and paid for part of it with the proceeds of illegal arms sales to Iran. Hence the Iran-Contra scandal, in which Mr. Reagan escaped prosecution because his subordinates claimed that he had no knowledge of their crimes. The Reagan revolution continues today: the "war on terror" has replaced the Cold War as pretext for intervention abroad, including the disastrous war in Iraq. Tax cuts for the rich and huge increases in military spending have revived the era of giant budget deficits. As the Great Communicator used to say, "There they go again." Mark Weisbrot is co-Director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, in Washington, DC

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Lately there's been talk amongst those infatuated by Reagan to replace the image of US Grant on our $50 bill with one of Ron.
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Lately there's been talk amongst those infatuated by Reagan to replace the image of US Grant on our $50 bill with one of Ron.
Not gonne happen, he will get the penny.
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Not gonne happen, he will get the penny.
Replacing Lincoln!? No Way. How about a $3 bill?
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Not gonne happen, he will get the penny.
Maybe they should bring back the half-penny.

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