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pawoSD · #31 04-29-2010, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.24/24.02/VirtualizationBenchmark

http://www.ihackintosh.com/2009/12/install-snow-leopard-in-vmware-7-windows-edition

?? That first link is very outdated....and the second link just proves my point that you can run Mac on a Windows system.

MTI · #32 04-29-2010, 09:39 PM

The first link, outdated as you say, showed that XP ran faster under virtualization on an Intel Mac than it did natively on a PC. Not to mention that Vista was a disaster, resource wise, compared to XP.

The second link also shows that running SL on Windows isn't particularly stable, certainly not as stable as Windows running on a Mac.

The devil is in the details.

mikemover · #33 04-29-2010, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

You are still running a G5? That is ancient and outdated. Essentially ANY modern CPU can outperfom it easily.

Windows is not at all "becoming similar" to the MAC. The windows architecture is completely different from that of a MAC, which is essentially just OpenBSD with a pretty graphical interface slapped on it.

A fast, well put together Windows 7 machine takes about 25 seconds to fully boot. Perhaps your friend's computer is less than a good example. I've seen Macs take FOREVER to boot OS X.

Anything OS X can do, you can do on Windows 7 faster, and at much less cost. With equal or greater reliability. I work with computers all day, every day, I do know what I am talking about. And we do see the occassional messed up OS X...rarely, since no one uses them in a setting where real work needs to get done.

I work with computers all day every day as well. And yes, I still run a dual-2.0G processor G5 with 4G of RAM, and it performs fast, efficiently, and flawlessly. My ProTools recording rig is perfectly stable on it, it has all the processing power it needs with plenty to spare, never crashes, never needs rebooting, and I never have any computer-related problems of any kind.

I'm definitely an "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" kind of guy.

An "upgrade" to a newer, Intel-based machine would force me to pay for a LOT of software upgrades that I don't need or want to pay for, because what I have now functions exactly as I need it to.

Every time I've ever "updated" one aspect of my set-up, I've regretted it. Because of how Digidesign (company who makes ProTools recording software) and other companies engineer-in limitations to try to force you to upgrade and spend more money, one "update" ends up causing you to have to update three OTHER things, and spend three times as much money. No thanks.

And I don't know anything about the programming language behind Windows 7, and don't really care to know, but I know that every time they introduce a new version, the user interface looks and feels more and more like using OS X to me.

And if you think that "no real work ever gets done" on a Mac, you are GRAVELY mistaken.

Walk into pretty much ANY professional-level recording studio anywhere in the world, and you will see Macs running the recording software 90% of the time, not PCs. The same is true for most pro video editors.

However, walk into any amateur/hobbyist's basement or bedroom "recording studio", and you'll probably see a cobbled-together PC rig with a bunch of cracked illegal software on it, crashing several times a day because of all the driver issues, corrupted software, and probably viruses too, because he probably uses that same PC to read his e-mails and download porn.

kknudson · #34 04-29-2010, 10:15 PM

Well the point still of this thread is why are the two looked at so differently.

I am very even handed, you want a MAC go for, you want Linux Cool, you want Windoz Neat.
Each has it's +s and -s

My brother uses Macs for his artwork, and I still think they are better than PCs for that.
I use PCs for number crunching type stuff, DB work mostly, I have Linux versions running too.

I have 2 servers that have run for years, virtually non stop.
My desktop has 6 years on it, I don't think I've seen more than one or 2 BSODs, although it has been freezing up lately (HD going I bet).
My old laptop also has run for years, other than issues with the Belkin wireless driver never a problem
My new Win7 laptop has never crashed or BSOD, ok it's only 3 months old.

And I abuse all of these, install / deinstall tons of software, run virtual machines.

So all this about unstable etc ???

Yes there have been fewer times the Macs get patches, but they have been quite large, and a couple of big holes fixed.
I know the Apple browser (Safari ??) is generally considered junk and very unsafe, funny Chrome is based on an earlier even less secure version.

To who ever mentioned you don't have to defrag MACs ???? sounds like you don't need virus protection either.

I guess I don't believe in being passionate about anything like this, each has it's place, each has it's use, each of us have our own view.

mikemover · #35 04-29-2010, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kknudson

I know the Apple browser (Safari ??) is generally considered junk and very unsafe, funny Chrome is based on an earlier even less secure version.

To who ever mentioned you don't have to defrag MACs ???? sounds like you don't need virus protection either.

I guess I don't believe in being passionate about anything like this, each has it's place, each has it's use, each of us have our own view.

I have always used the Safari browser on my iBook and PowerBook, works flawlessly, very user-friendly interface, a lot of very useful features, never a single problem. Beats the HELL out of IE on Windoze of course, and I just don't like the way Mozilla looks or works....

I have never de-fragged a hard drive on my Macs, laptops OR towers. Internal drives or the external drives that I use for session backups. Not a single problem. There's a REASON that Windows comes with built-in defrag software and Macs do not. They don't need it.

Never had any virus protection on them either, for MANY years. Not a single virus, ever.

pawoSD · #36 04-29-2010, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mikemover

I work with computers all day every day as well. And yes, I still run a dual-2.0G processor G5 with 4G of RAM, and it performs fast, efficiently, and flawlessly. My ProTools recording rig is perfectly stable on it, it has all the processing power it needs with plenty to spare, never crashes, never needs rebooting, and I never have any computer-related problems of any kind.

Honestly, using one or two piece of expensive software on a super ultra expensive computer SHOULD never crash. I regularly have about 25 different things open and max my system out regularly....never crashes.

BTW, a few revisions of the G5 towers were actually known for some pretty bad audio issues including feedback from a bad analog ground on the motherboards in one revision, and a "chirping" noise from the speakers whenever there was a "blip" in processor activity....that issue was power supply related. Just goes to show, that even a several thousand dollar computer can have pretty bad issues. Especially since their target market is audio studios and design shops.

All delaying upgrading for a long time does is make the day the system dies that much more painful. I see it every day. Offices crying because their 9 year old server running Win2000 died and took all their antique software with it. Happens all the time. Preventative upgrading and end of life practices prevent the vast majority of such failures and situations.