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pawoSD · #16 04-28-2010, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig

Here's the adoptor for $30:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB570Z/A?fnode=MTY1NDA3Ng&mco=MTA4NDU0ODY

If you care about being backward comparable, you don't want to buy a mac; they don't want to play in that market.

$30 you don't have to spend with a PC....though, apple users like spending money, so its just drop in the bucket for them.

Windows is much easier to fix when something goes wrong. Macs are NOT user friendly when something goes wrong (which it does). PC's are vastly more capable than macs....there must be 1000x as many products and software available for them.

Zeus · #17 04-28-2010, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig

Here's the adoptor for $30:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB570Z/A?fnode=MTY1NDA3Ng&mco=MTA4NDU0ODY

If you care about being backward comparable, you don't want to buy a mac; they don't want to play in that market.

I don't see a Mini DisplayPort to DisplayPort adapter? That would be the forward-compatible market.

MTI · #18 04-28-2010, 07:20 PM

Another thread, in the midst of a forum for Mercedes-Benz owners/enthusiasts, about a luxury brand's foibles. Irony?

mikemover · #19 04-29-2010, 02:34 AM

I was a PC guy for many years, but once I opened my own recording studio, I went Mac and I will NEVER, EVER own another PC.

Macs are far more stable, more "plug-n-play" friendly... No need to spend hours on the internet searching for the right driver every time you want to swap a piece of hardware, and then holding your breath hoping it will work right after re-booting for the 18th time....

Hell, not only do I almost NEVER need to re-boot when I install new software or hardware... sometimes I go for WEEKS without rebooting my Macs, period! With NO ill effects or lost performance.

I have a back-up G5 sitting in the corner of my studio control room, just in case there's a problem in the middle of a session... and I've NEVER had to boot it up.

No need for regular de-fragmenting of hard drives, or constant virus and trojan-horse scans, or endless pop-up windows asking you to update everything, or frightening you into download today's security patch...

They feature elegant, simple user interfaces, they are infinitely less vulnerable to viruses and hacking....

Open up any PC tower, and you will be greeted by an unorganized, randomly laid-out collection of twisted wires, pc boards, etc... a mess.

Open up a Mac G5 or MacPro tower and you will see a work of art. A lesson in efficient, logical, sleek, elegant design, function, and serviceability (although you'll VERY rarely need to service it).

Comparing a PC and a Mac is a lot like comparing a Honda and a Mercedes.... Both will usually get you where you're going, but the latter will get you there with MUCH more style, speed, power, and grace.

pawoSD · #20 04-29-2010, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mikemover

I was a PC guy for many years, but once I opened my own recording studio, I went Mac and I will NEVER, EVER own another PC.

Macs are far more stable, more "plug-n-play" friendly... No need to spend hours on the internet searching for the right driver every time you want to swap a piece of hardware, and then holding your breath hoping it will work right after re-booting for the 18th time....

Hell, not only do I almost NEVER need to re-boot when I install new software or hardware... sometimes I go for WEEKS without rebooting my Macs, period! With NO ill effects or lost performance.

I have a back-up G5 sitting in the corner of my studio control room, just in case there's a problem in the middle of a session... and I've NEVER had to boot it up.

No need for regular de-fragmenting of hard drives, or constant virus and trojan-horse scans, or endless pop-up windows asking you to update everything, or frightening you into download today's security patch...

They feature elegant, simple user interfaces, they are infinitely less vulnerable to viruses and hacking....

Open up any PC tower, and you will be greeted by an unorganized, randomly laid-out collection of twisted wires, pc boards, etc... a mess.

Open up a Mac G5 or MacPro tower and you will see a work of art. A lesson in efficient, logical, sleek, elegant design, function, and serviceability (although you'll VERY rarely need to service it).

Comparing a PC and a Mac is a lot like comparing a Honda and a Mercedes.... Both will usually get you where you're going, but the latter will get you there with MUCH more style, speed, power, and grace.

So, out of curiosity, when was the last time you used a PC? Windows 7 has managed to surpass MAC in terms of capability and performance. At work I usually have about 15-20 (sometimes more) applications open, never crashes. In fact my system there has been up nearly 3 months. Crashes pretty much do not happen in Win7 if you are using decent hardware.

The whole crashing thing is all heresay. Mac's crash, I've crashed them.

"Comparing a PC and a Mac is a lot like comparing a Honda and a Mercedes.... Both will usually get you where you're going, but the latter will get you there with MUCH more style, speed, power, and grace."

Not really, Most Macs are slower than an equivalent PC, and the hardware inside is the same. Win7 has just as much "interface goodies" as OS X. you forgot to add "cost" onto the end of the things Mac does MUCH more of.

Zeus · #21 04-29-2010, 07:59 AM

Mike - a rare appearance.

How are things, still playing I hope?

mikemover · #22 04-29-2010, 11:47 AM

Yes, still playing a lot, and up to my eyeballs in clients at the studio, which is the reason for my absence here. Thanks for asking, Zeus! Hope you are well too, bro! Don't worry, I still have all the cars and am taking good care of them.

Getting back to topic:

My business partner at the studio runs a PC rig for his sessions, and I have NO idea why... just sticking with what he's used to, I guess... In spite of it being an expensive, custom-built "hot rod" system, it still takes forever to boot up, forever to open ProTools sessions, he constantly has to change settings to "optimize" it for doing different tasks....

Whereas it's MAYBE one minute from the time that I walk into the control room and sit down, until I have Protools open and am ready to work. Maybe two minutes if I have turned it off for some reason and have to boot it up. I have to shut down for my partner to work, because he and I share ProTools hardware, a monitor, keyboard, and mouse, through a switching system. Although my Mac will run just fine with his PC connected to the rig and running, his PC freaks out if my Mac is on, so I have to turn it off for him to work on his rig.

In the three+ years that I have been using the same G5 tower at the studio.... I've crashed it maybe 6 or 8 times... and most of those were due to a corrupt bootleg audio plugin. Learned that lesson quickly: you get what you pay for!

My wife's PC laptops are a constant headache too.... In the time that I've owned my iBook and Powerbook laptops (both of which run pretty much constantly... the iBook has been all over the WORLD with me since 2006, and I just recently had my first ever problems with it... a loose power adapter jack) I think she's gone through 3 or 4 PC laptops, and she uses them maybe 1/3 as much as I use my computers... probably less.

I do agree that Windows 7 is a huge step forward for PC users, and it is MUCH more stable... largely because it is becoming more and more like Mac's OS both in appearance and function! Windows OS is just now approaching the level that Apple's OS has been working at for years now.

MTI · #23 04-29-2010, 03:57 PM

While Mike means well, the picture he paints of the OS X world is a bit overstated.

There are security patches distributed by Apple on a fairly regular basis; not all applications play nicely with each other, sometimes requiring a "Forced Quit" but not often; Apple has had its share of manufacturing quality control problems, particularly LCD screens lately and there are products, like Apple TV, that really make you wonder "WTF?"

However, he is right about the product design being "on the inside" as well on the outside. Working inside a Mac is very much like working on a Mercedes, the engineering, sometimes "over engineering" is obvious.

Skid Row Joe · #24 04-29-2010, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kknudson

That's not quite the point of this thread.

Why is it when Msft does it, it is called the evil empire, when Apple does it they are protecting their product.

What if you could only buy parts for your MB from MB. Heck you even had to put gas in it at your local dealer ? Ok you can only by one brand of gas and had to pay a premium for it, even though it's junk gas.
Oil changes are dealer only, infact open the hood and it quits working until you bring it to the dealer, oh the warranty is void now.

I also disagree that APPL can be called an innovator, at least for many years.

ipod = walkman (I also had this on my Win Mobile phone years before ipods, 2002).
iPhone - I had all of the functionality YEARS before the iphone (2002, ok I had to hard wire sync originally), But it didn't have the Flashy interface.
ipad - there have been several attempts, actually look at those big fancy screens you see on the news etc where they draw on them with their fingers. Most are Winders, albeit very expensive.
Mac OS = BSD Unix (with lipstick)

Apple improved these products, VERY NICELY IMPROVED, mostly with a FLASHY INTERFACE !!!
But I can't call these innovations.

I agree Msft is more concerned with attacking anyone that "they" feel threatens their turf than with improving their product so no one could or would.

Apples do crash, do have problems, can get virus and are hackable.
Funny my Winders workstations are as problem free as the Macs I support and a heck of a lot easier to fix when they do have issue's.

But then I'm an 'Innovator' in that I configure the workstations my way or the highway.

Consider the law of large numbers, look at Toyotas problems.

It's just the way the 2 companies are compared, yet in their own ways neither is better than the other. Just different.

Good stuff.

I love owning shares of Microsoft stock for almost 20 years now. I reinvest and add to 'em each and every year too. I'm not down on Apple, or Microsoft as some people are. How one comes to establish their perception of any company because of their hard feelings is understandable, but very political. That reminds me of the spy versus spy antics in the comics. I'm good with both of them.

mikemover · #25 04-29-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

While Mike means well, the picture he paints of the OS X world is a bit overstated.

There are security patches distributed by Apple on a fairly regular basis; not all applications play nicely with each other, sometimes requiring a "Forced Quit" but not often; Apple has had its share of manufacturing quality control problems, particularly LCD screens lately and there are products, like Apple TV, that really make you wonder "WTF?"

However, he is right about the product design being "on the inside" as well on the outside. Working inside a Mac is very much like working on a Mercedes, the engineering, sometimes "over engineering" is obvious.

MTI, there are not NEARLY as many periodic security updates for OS X as there are for Windoze.... Almost every time my wife turns her PC on, a window pops up, asking her to update SOMETHING....

And in the several years that I have been working and playing on Macs, the ONLY time I've experienced problems with applications on my Macs not "getting along", requiring "force quits" or re-boots, was when I installed some bootleg, cracked audio plugin software, which I never should have messed around with in the first place, for both moral AND reliability reasons. MY fault, not the fault of the computer or OS.

I have no experience with Apple TV, and have no desire to, so I can't comment on that product with any authority.

MTI · #26 04-29-2010, 05:21 PM

Mike, it may not apply to you if you're still running a G5 based system running OS X 10.5.x, but Snow Leopard 10.6, the current OS that only runs on the Intel Macs, has been updated/patched three times since being released last August. Apple notes that the patches were "operating system fixes that enhance the stability, compatibility, and security of your Mac."

pawoSD · #27 04-29-2010, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mikemover

MTI, there are not NEARLY as many periodic security updates for OS X as there are for Windoze.... Almost every time my wife turns her PC on, a window pops up, asking her to update SOMETHING....

And in the several years that I have been working and playing on Macs, the ONLY time I've experienced problems with applications on my Macs not "getting along", requiring "force quits" or re-boots, was when I installed some bootleg, cracked audio plugin software, which I never should have messed around with in the first place, for both moral AND reliability reasons. MY fault, not the fault of the computer or OS.

I have no experience with Apple TV, and have no desire to, so I can't comment on that product with any authority.

You are still running a G5? That is ancient and outdated. Essentially ANY modern CPU can outperfom it easily.

Windows is not at all "becoming similar" to the MAC. The windows architecture is completely different from that of a MAC, which is essentially just OpenBSD with a pretty graphical interface slapped on it.

A fast, well put together Windows 7 machine takes about 25 seconds to fully boot. Perhaps your friend's computer is less than a good example. I've seen Macs take FOREVER to boot OS X.

Anything OS X can do, you can do on Windows 7 faster, and at much less cost. With equal or greater reliability. I work with computers all day, every day, I do know what I am talking about. And we do see the occassional messed up OS X...rarely, since no one uses them in a setting where real work needs to get done.

MTI · #28 04-29-2010, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

Anything OS X can do, you can do on Windows 7 faster, and at much less cost.

Well, it can't run OS X and Windoze at the same time, which an Intel Mac,with Parallels or VM Fusion can do quite nicely.

As for real world applications, I wonder if Mike is using Logic Studio, quite the fine Mac based recording software, which does not run on Windows. Likewise, users of Final Cut Pro or Aperture need their OS X foundation.

PCs are great for the "mass market" and yes, there are many advantages to them, but viva la difference . . .

pawoSD · #29 04-29-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Well, it can't run OS X and Windoze at the same time, which an Intel Mac,with Parallels or VM Fusion can do quite nicely.

As for real world applications, I wonder if Mike is using Logic Studio, quite the fine Mac based recording software, which does not run on Windows. Likewise, users of Final Cut Pro or Aperture need their OS X foundation.

PCs are great for the "mass market" and yes, there are many advantages to them, but viva la difference . . .

You sure about that? I have a hacked Virtual machine of Snow Leopard that I ran on my computer at work for a while. Ran fine. Got bored with it and deleted it.

Parallels is slow as heck, we put it on a Macbook pro for a client (a dumb doctor) so he could run windows and his medical portals. Talk about pointless. $2700 on a laptop that can't even natively run any of the medical stuff he needs.

MTI · #30 04-29-2010, 08:54 PM

http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.24/24.02/VirtualizationBenchmark

http://www.ihackintosh.com/2009/12/install-snow-leopard-in-vmware-7-windows-edition