First. Are we not confusing race with species?



We are all human but we are not all the same race according to these definitions.

I fail to see the need to dilute our racial make up merely for the sake of looking alike. If I am attracted to someone with a different racial make up than my self, fine. If not, also fine.

While I too look forward tot he day when a persons race is not relevant to how they are interacted with, I do not believe that day is here. Yes we are a long way from the view points held in the 50's but race is still an issue. People are still judged by their skin color.

I personally do not care what race Obama or any one else identifies with. There are people on both sides of the spectrum who do. The racists want it clearly noted that Obama is a black man an there are blacks who also want it clearly noted that Obama is a black man. Clearly they have different intentions.

Legalized racism has only been gone since 1964. As far as I am concerned, that is not really a very long time given that there are people who are still alive who have lived through it. I do not believe it is long enough for it to have died. In time racism will be replaced by something else. People have hated one another since the beginning. To think it will end in my opinion is wishful thinking.

As for the white / not white issue. Seems to me that is is a purely visual matter. Obama would never be considered a white man. Mixed, light skinned, not black ... fine. Never a white man. I knew a guy from Mexico when I was in college and he was very fair skinned. He could have passed for a white man were it not for his accent when he spoke. Once he opened his mouth that illusion would dissolve.

I think the term of a 'white' person to many is a person who is fair skinned and who ancestry is either North American or European. Whether or not it is accurate is not relevant. Whether or not it is based in any type of science is not relevant. Bigotry is rarely based on any type of logic. They will twist their definition to suite their needs and the line of who is in or out can move like the wind.

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I disagree with that. That is like saying there are no hair colors, just hair. To say a person has blonde hair places barriers around them. I think that saying a person has blonde hair or that a person is black is merely a description. The barriers come from individuals who which to pervert that description into something that it is not. That being a indication of inferiority.

How would you describe this man?



as being different from this boys?



or this man.



Their race is part of who they are. It is lie a car being red or blue. That mere fact does not indicate the ability of the car. A man being black or brown or white has nothing to do with anything. That label is not bad, it is the interpretation by some that is bad.

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I'm saying that he looks foolish saying he's fully white or black.

We all know that he's exactly 50% black and 50% white.

Just like my kids would answer, he should say that he's bi-racial: half-black and half-white.

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just wondering. how do you identify yourself?

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So to you skin color is race?

Damit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a makeup artist . .

I think it's foolish to second guess anyone's response on the census form.
What you and your kids think isn't relevent.

What about me ? My skin is white, but my soul is black......

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I agree. Now if I say I'm black on the census form- I am therefore black- period. If I look like Ron Reagan and apply and get a grant from the feds meant for minorities to e'ffn bad, because I am black. If anyone can be any race according to their choosing we will have greater issues than we have now as long as we have the practice that certain races will be given money from other races based on what happened to the ancestors of each race. Does anyone know of court cases where someone was stripped of fed money meant for minorities who claimed they were a minority but the court said they were not? I vaguely remember than Hispanics are not a race because then they would qualify for minority contracts- which would then be split between a greater group of applicants. Those that were already in the minority pool did not want a bigger pool- each member would get a lesser share so they objected and prevailed. This (IIRC) is one of the reasons Hispanics are not considered a race in these terms.

What happens when a person does not like your black soul? You are white and so are they- are they a racist?

All this "race" discussion unless one race is favored by government action, or another race is hurt by government action. The laws are clear that there is to be no discrimination based on race.
Why then, is this important?

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White.

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- God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller as time moves on..." Neil DeGrasse Tyson
- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

According to the dictionary definition posted above yes. See race definition #3 a, b or c.

I am a human (species) and white (race).

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- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.