Woman, 28, dies months after given smokers lungs

[HuskyMan]

I can't wait for the government to socialize health care in these United States. then, we will be just like England.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1286540/Cystic-fibrosis-woman-28-dies-months-given-smokers-lungs.html

[MTI]

Yes, you have to admire the precision and absence of error in our system.

[Kuan]

Are you listed as a donor? I am.

[Pavka007]

Originally Posted by HuskyMan

I can't wait for the government to socialize health care in these United States. then, we will be just like England.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1286540/Cystic-fibrosis-woman-28-dies-months-given-smokers-lungs.html

Yep....but not like Scotland

[elchivito]

According to the article, 3 people die each day in England waiting for a transplant, according to my math, that's about .005% of the population. (3 /51450000 / 100) According to the Mayo clinic, 19 people check out daily waiting in the U.S. for about .006% of the population.(19 / 308,000,000 / 100)
No statistical significance. I'd bet the U.S. has the same donor shortage issues now that England has, and I'd bet the pressure to use marginal organs is the same here as it is in England.
Looks to me like this is more of a doctor-patient ethics issue than it is a statement about healthcare systems.

[Kuan]

Originally Posted by Pavka007

Yep....but not like Scotland

In Scotland half the population is kept alive by Haggis.

[Pavka007]

Originally Posted by Kuan

In Scotland half the population is kept alive by Haggis.

Whatever works mate

[Kuan]

Originally Posted by Pavka007

Whatever works mate

I KNEW IT!

[RichC]

Originally Posted by HuskyMan

I can't wait for the government to socialize health care in these United States. then, we will be just like England.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1286540/Cystic-fibrosis-woman-28-dies-months-given-smokers-lungs.html

Why pick on England, every other developed nation in the world has some sort of publicly funded health care.

We even pay for publicly funded health care via war funding in two countries.
But not our own ????


Countries in blue have some type of universal health care.
Countries in green are currently attempting to implement some type of universal health care.
Orange countries have universal health coverage provided by United States war funding. Source.

Norway 1912 Single Payer New Zealand 1938 Two Tier Japan 1938 Single Payer Germany 1941 Insurance Mandate Belgium 1945 Insurance Mandate United Kingdom 1948 Single Payer Kuwait 1950 Single Payer Sweden 1955 Single Payer Bahrain 1957 Single Payer Brunei 1958 Single Payer Canada 1966 Single Payer Netherlands 1966 Two-Tier Austria 1967 Insurance Mandate United Arab Emirates 1971 Single Payer Finland 1972 Single Payer Slovenia 1972 Single Payer Denmark 1973 Two-Tier Luxembourg 1973 Insurance Mandate France 1974 Two-Tier Australia 1975 Two Tier Ireland 1977 Two-Tier Italy 1978 Single Payer Portugal 1979 Single Payer Cyprus 1980 Single Payer Greece 1983 Insurance Mandate Spain 1986 Single Payer South Korea 1988 Insurance Mandate Iceland 1990 Single Payer Hong Kong 1993 Two-Tier Singapore 1993 Two-Tier Switzerland 1994 Insurance Mandate Israel 1995 Two-Tier United States 2014 Insurance Mandate

[LUVMBDiesels]

I will check with my medical friends but I think tat the reason this woman died was pneumonia which had nothing to do with the fact that the donor smoked. The poor girl had cystic fibrosis which meant her body was already week from a lack of oxygen. She probably had little change of recovery to begin with. If she got a few extra months her family should be happy...

Now if she died because of an infection due to a dirty operating room or bad post op care that is a different story, but in this case I think the system and the doctors did good.

Now if she had been diagnosed with stage 2 lung cancer two weeks after the operation - than I would have had a problem with using those spares...

[Chas H]

Originally Posted by HuskyMan

I can't wait for the government to socialize health care in these United States. then, we will be just like England.

This is like saying the snow storms of last winter proved there is no global warming.

[pawoSD]

The US healthcare system ranks far below numerous countries with national health care in numerous areas. Including deaths at birth. Pretty sad. And we spend faaar more $$ on the select individuals who have "health care" than they spend on people getting better care in universally covered countries.

Plus, we're paying for Iraq and Afghanistan to have coverage. So you need to be in the military, Iraq/Afghanistan, or in Jail, then you get health coverage!

[tonkovich]

Originally Posted by pawoSD

The US healthcare system ranks far below numerous countries with national health care in numerous areas. Including deaths at birth. Pretty sad. And we spend faaar more $$ on the select individuals who have "health care" than they spend on people getting better care in universally covered countries.

Plus, we're paying for Iraq and Afghanistan to have coverage. So you need to be in the military, Iraq/Afghanistan, or in Jail, then you get health coverage!

jail's starting to look good! (except for, well, you know...)

[RichC]

I expect to see lots of this BS in the coming months.

Political fear mongering to scare people into voting one way or the other.

Wonder how much the insurance companies will spend on this propaganda ?

When they should be covering peoples health care claims instead.

Good old capitalism

I dont understand why so many people believe this transparent, fear based, propaganda.

Can someone explain ?

Why do you believe it HuskyMan ?

Or do you spread this BS, because you have ulterior political motives ?

[HuskyMan]

Originally Posted by RichC

I expect to see lots of this BS in the coming months.

Political fear mongering to scare people into voting one way or the other.

Wonder how much the insurance companies will spend on this propaganda ?

When they should be covering peoples health care claims instead.

Good old capitalism

I dont understand why so many people believe this transparent, fear based, propaganda.

Can someone explain ?

Why do you believe it HuskyMan ?

Or do you spread this BS, because you have ulterior political motives ?

in the past, I've been involved with two patients who were royally screwed by their doctors. in both cases, they came within a hair's breath of DYING due to "Dr. Screwup". and one of the doctors is STILL practicing on the public.

if you go in for surgery, ALWAYS have a family member (preferably a doctor or RN) at your side 24/7. make sure they are 100% aware of your situation, blood type, meds, etc etc and are not afraid to engage nurses and doctors entering your hospital room.

otherwise, you might become a victim of a medical screw up. if I hadn't experienced it first hand, I'd have a far different outlook on the medical establishment, but now I trust them about as far as I can throw them.

Dr. Death
Dr. Drug
Dr. Feel Good (here, take these 20 meds and call me in the morning).