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Old 07-28-2010, 12:00 AM
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WikiLeaks: For public, it confirms worst about Afghanistan
WikiLeaks documents in many respects paint a picture of a war going poorly. But they're unlikely to convince the public that the answer is to get out now.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2010/0727/WikiLeaks-For-public-it-confirms-worst-about-Afghanistan

from the christian science monitor.

i applaud the release of more information that shows what a dog this whole effort has been, and still is. but the truth doesn't always meet with such welcome arms. i'm sure this group has some opinions.

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Old 07-28-2010, 12:26 AM
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WikiLeaks: For public, it confirms worst about Afghanistan
WikiLeaks documents in many respects paint a picture of a war going poorly. But they're unlikely to convince the public that the answer is to get out now.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2010/0727/WikiLeaks-For-public-it-confirms-worst-about-Afghanistan

from the christian science monitor.

i applaud the release of more information that shows what a dog this whole effort has been, and still is. but the truth doesn't always meet with such welcome arms. i'm sure this group has some opinions.

Selective adulation? Did you celebrate the ClimateGate leaks with equal gusto? Did you stand up in defense of those leakers?
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:31 AM
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Selective adulation? Did you celebrate the ClimateGate leaks with equal gusto? Did you stand up in defense of those leakers?
a rather obvious attempt to avoid the issue?

(for the record "climategate" was a scam - look it up. the brits investigated, and found it was a lot of hot air about nothing. just like mr. breitbart.)

now, back to the topic at hand...
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Selective adulation? Did you celebrate the ClimateGate leaks with equal gusto? Did you stand up in defense of those leakers?
Do you confuse oranges and apples often?
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a rather obvious attempt to avoid the issue?

(for the record "climategate" was a scam - look it up. the brits investigated, and found it was a lot of hot air about nothing. just like mr. breitbart.)

now, back to the topic at hand...

How so? The issue I took up was your reason for applause being the release of information that you feel supports a position you already had, as opposed to release of information that supports positions you don't hold.

I take issue with your words not the words of others you've quoted!
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Let's just assume that IF there's ANY GOVERNMENT MONIES INVOLVED, someone, somewhere, somehow will find a "way" to scam the taxpayer.

"Climategate."

"Wikileak-Afganigate."

"Name-a-gate." (Yet to be discovered, but somehow will be tied to illicit funds acquisitions on the part of those that headed it up...)

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Do you confuse oranges and apples often?
Old fruit seeking attention!
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Old fruit seeking attention!
Can you answer the question? Or should we consider it obvious?
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Can you answer the question? Or should we consider it obvious?
Another end of the month meds shortage? Or should we consider it obvious?
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I wonder if people will accept the reality of the war now that it has been shown to them ?

Or if they will cling to what TV tells them reality is ?

Has anyone read the release yet ?

I have not gotten started.
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He who leaked those docs needs to have a public trial with the harshest penalty allowed by law.
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He who leaked those docs needs to have a public trial with the harshest penalty allowed by law.
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Time to put an end to this leak bs once and for all.
Show some stones Mr. Pres. and you will have bi-patisan support for your decision, as you did yesterday for the Supplemental War Approp. bill.

It is your war now Chief.
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Old 07-28-2010, 08:53 AM
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WikiLeaks: For public, it confirms worst about Afghanistan
WikiLeaks documents in many respects paint a picture of a war going poorly. But they're unlikely to convince the public that the answer is to get out now.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2010/0727/WikiLeaks-For-public-it-confirms-worst-about-Afghanistan

from the christian science monitor.

i applaud the release of more information that shows what a dog this whole effort has been, and still is. but the truth doesn't always meet with such welcome arms. i'm sure this group has some opinions.
I have seen an awful lot of commentary so far but I just have one question:

Who in this forum has ACTUALLY READ the leaked documents? ANY of them?

All I see are commentaries on commentaries on commentaries.

It's like saying that General Mills wrote the Bible because there's a Biblical cartoon on the back of a Wheaties box, and that's as close to the source as you can get. " So it must be right."

So are these real reports?
SITREPS?
SIGACTS?
SALUTE reports?
"someone said..."
"Abdul thinks.."

classified because "they" think they should be? Or for real?

Notes from the field don't get classified unless they meet very specific criteria.

Half the stuff people clsassify really isn't but they don't know any better.

Know how I know? When I ask them for the classification guide they used to decide, I get this blank look.

I want to see one of these documents and see if some clerk just stamped them because he stamps everything, or are these for real.

SO...AGAIN... WHO has seen them?

Raise your hand.
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excerpts in the new york times. and yes, names are redacted, and they only show what a failure the whole war effort is. why are they "classified"? no particular reason. (except to keep the big lie alive) even the pentagon said so.
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The only "risk" that is coming from these documents are the careers of certain war profiteers. Classifying documents that simply cover up someone's rear end is disgusting. We can't function as a democracy when the executive branch or the pentagon hide the truth when almost 52% of our federal budget is spent on just the military alone.

The leaker should be honored as a patriot. We need more people like him exposing this type of trickery in our government.

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