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Old 08-04-2010, 09:45 PM
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I'll assume you just did not understand what my intent was or that I was unclear as opposed to you being you.

Amish and genetics

Pay particular attention to the discussion about the "founders affect".
I understood perfectly, your clamour for equality only extends so far. You're willing to judge people based on your subjective value of their individual characteristics. You claim a philosopy of equality for all, but in practice you personally ascribe to the Orwellian "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

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Old 08-04-2010, 09:47 PM
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OH drat. You found me out.
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OH drat. You found me out.
You've outed yourself!
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Yup.

Some humans would claim that their dog, cat, pet rock, tree - you name it, was their spouse.
Fair enough but when those items mentioned can legally give consent, I'm for it.
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Old 08-04-2010, 10:37 PM
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Not to disparage the author or this thread in any way, however after I determined he couldn't answer post #5, nor his 'equality' premise - I realized the thread was just a poorly worded rush-job - based on feelings/emotion, not fact nor higher law, which seemingly reflects most if not all of liberalism.
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I believe genetics is a valid argument See post #36. Genetic defects are more prevalent.
How exactly do genetics come into play in gay marriage? There is a reason Mother Nature has seen to it that homosexuals can't procreate. No court can overturn that. As far as I'm concerned, let them get "married", but don't let them have children.
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Old 08-04-2010, 10:54 PM
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Not to disparage the author or this thread in any way, however after I determined he couldn't answer post #5, nor his 'equality' premise - I realized the thread was just a poorly worded rush-job - based on feelings/emotion, not fact nor higher law, which hseemingly reflects most if not all of liberalism.
Maybe I'm blind but it seems that many have pointed out some of the unequalities enjoyed.
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Old 08-04-2010, 10:55 PM
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...I determined he couldn't answer post #5..
Why do you keep saying that? MTI gave examples of clear, unambiguous legal advantages given only to married couples. The advantage of being able to hold property as tenants by the entireties is just so completely obvious. Unless gays are allowed to marry, they can't hold property in that manner. There are other examples where it is legally advantageous to be married. We can argue about the societal benefit of those legal advantages, but I find it so odd that you claim that they don't exist.
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Another exciting episode of "name that troll."
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How exactly do genetics come into play in gay marriage? There is a reason Mother Nature has seen to it that homosexuals can't procreate. No court can overturn that. As far as I'm concerned, let them get "married", but don't let them have children.
On the subject of deciding who should be allowed to have children and who shoild not, maybe there should be an evaluation on the ability to provide for and create an environment conducive to raising children. How many times have you passed a "family" with six screaming kids knowing that the parents can't and have no interest in providing for them and beat them on a regular basis? Maybe take a trip to your local wally mart and just watch for awhile. The point is just because these people can reproduce they arw automatically deemed fit. It goes both ways - not everyone is fit for a family, gay, straight, vegetable, mineral.
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On the subject of deciding who should be allowed to have children and who shoild not, maybe there should be an evaluation on the ability to provide for and create an environment conducive to raising children. How many times have you passed a "family" with six screaming kids knowing that the parents can't and have no interest in providing for them and beat them on a regular basis? Maybe take a trip to your local wally mart and just watch for awhile. The point is just because these people can reproduce they arw automatically deemed fit. It goes both ways - not everyone is fit for a family, gay, straight, vegetable, mineral.
I would tend to agree with you on the above. However, because homosexuals cannot reproduce they would be automatically deemed "unfit", so it's a moot point.
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How exactly do genetics come into play in gay marriage? There is a reason Mother Nature has seen to it that homosexuals can't procreate. No court can overturn that. As far as I'm concerned, let them get "married", but don't let them have children.
Mother nature has seen to it people get sick and die early. We are screwing around with that too. So, WGAS about mother nature or whatever he/she is wanting?
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I would tend to agree with you on the above. However, because homosexuals cannot reproduce they would be automatically deemed "unfit", so it's a moot point.
In nature, you can have sex and procreated with your sister. So, by that criteria, you would be considered fit then?
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Except for the polyamourists, the poligamists, brothers, sisters, parents and children, uncles, aunts and cousins! If all people have the individual right to marry why can't adult brother and an adult sister? Or a father and an adult daughter? Why can't two adult brothes? Wouldn't their individual rights be denied unconstitutionaly? If the right is individual how can the rights of individual poligamists to be married be denied?

Or do only "gay" individuals have that right, how about three gay brothers getting married, under what circumstance could any one of their individual right to marry be constitutionally denied?
The prohibition of the situations you note are Constitutional because they do not single out a specific race, gender, ethnic group, etc. If you were to outlaw polygamy for Asians only, for example, allowing other races plural marriage, that would be un-Constitutional because it violates the 14th Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause.

Also, the states can justify outlawing the above noted items because they can demonstrate a compelling reason(s) to do so, which is absent in this case.

At issue is the consistent and constitutional application of marriage laws.
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Why do you keep saying that? MTI gave examples of clear, unambiguous legal advantages given only to married couples. The advantage of being able to hold property as tenants by the entireties is just so completely obvious. Unless gays are allowed to marry, they can't hold property in that manner. There are other examples where it is legally advantageous to be married. We can argue about the societal benefit of those legal advantages, but I find it so odd that you claim that they don't exist.
Two people do not need to be "married" to jointly own property of any kind. That's a red-herring, throw away cause....

"Shall not be discriminated upon based on sex, age, race, creed, or national origin."

Exactly where or how in that statement are homosexuals excluded or unequal?

They're beating a dead horse.....

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