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Old 08-18-2010, 11:36 AM
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And if the court does not think the prop 8 supporters have standing, then the case could be decided long before the elections.

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Old 08-18-2010, 11:55 AM
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I love the fact that neither Schwarzenegger nor Brown are willing to represent Prop 8.

I'm read that the opponents of Prop 8 are hoping that standing is not granted to the proponents of Prop 8. If standing is not granted, the case dies, marriage is allowed in CA and could spread to the rest of the country and they avoid the risk of loosing at the SCOUS.
I do not believe Arnie and Brown are right in not pursuing this to the SCOTUS. Scalia himself has stated, at the time sodomy laws were overturned, that once gay sex between consenting adults became legal, that gay marriage would have to be found to be constitutional - his main reason for dissenting in the Texas sodomy case that overturned all sodomy laws. The last thing in the world the anti-gay crowd wants is this issue before the Supreme Court - which is why they have put all their effort into these ridiculous elections that only prove that the majority of people are bigots, just like they did when interracial marriage was an issue. As yet, not one person has been able to articulate any kind of argument putting forth the compelling reason The State has to interfere in a legal contract between two consenting adults where no one is harmed, which is all marriage really is. Until one anti-gay person can come up with one solid reason as to why The State has a right to interfere in a valid contract when it has no compelling interest to do so, under our systems of laws, gay marriage is Constitutional.
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Old 08-18-2010, 11:59 AM
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And if the court does not think the prop 8 supporters have standing, then the case could be decided long before the elections.
Only in the state of California.
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Old 08-18-2010, 02:25 PM
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I think I read somewhere that the Judge did not reference Baker v Nelson in his decision. I perused his lenghty decision and did note references to Griswold and Loving in his opinion. In 1972 the MN Sup Court in Baker ruled that the state law did not violate the US Constitution and in the process reviewed these precedents and found them as lacking precedent:

....On appeal, the Minnesota Supreme Court affirmed the trial court's ruling, and specifically ruled that Minnesota's limiting of marriage to opposite-sex unions "does not offend the First, Eighth, Ninth, or Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution".
http://tripatlas.com/Baker_v._Nelson

Case then goes to the US Supreme Court, which issues a 1 sentence order and dismisses the case "for want of a federal question". Baker then, as settled law, goes on to be cited as precedent in federal cases over the years.

I wonder why Judge Walker did not address Baker in his decision? Isn't he making a "federal question" of this issue and in doing so going against settled law? Yet he makes no mention of Baker? Maybe that's why the Ninth Circuit put the brakes on it.
Maybe they see problems with it and want a remand to dress it up for it's trip to Washington. Or maybe they want to take the time to mention Baker in the deliberation process? Who knows? I will leave that up to the lawyers.
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Old 08-18-2010, 03:52 PM
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Only in the state of California.
And
Connecticut
District of Columbia
Iowa
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New York
Maine
Massachusetts
Vermont

Iowa was kind of a surprise. But as a friend said that growing up on a farm you find out that some are just born that way.
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And if the court does not think the prop 8 supporters have standing, then the case could be decided long before the elections.
In a unanimous decision, the court found that the proponents os Prop 8 have the requisite standing to appeal. The ruling protects the system by not allowing the action or inaction of the state to determine the legal course of the legal challenge.
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Old 11-18-2011, 04:33 AM
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Now that what he said is very cool! And original. I like that.
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Old 11-18-2011, 05:06 AM
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In a unanimous decision, the court found that the proponents os Prop 8 have the requisite standing to appeal. The ruling protects the system by not allowing the action or inaction of the state to determine the legal course of the legal challenge.
I think that ruling and it's justification (which I heard summarized on NPR) were well-reasoned. Particularly because the 9th is probably on the side of gay marriage (my own thought, not NPR). They did their job removing impediments to a clean case down the road.
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I was just watching the news and it looks like the ban has been over turned. I guess now it goes to the appellate court and then the SCOTUS.

I am glad it got over turned. One step closer to equality.Prop 8 overturned

Yeah, you sure wouldn't want the will of the people to prevail. All good liberals know that the US Govt. knows what's best for the citizenry, not the citizenry itself.
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Old 11-18-2011, 10:07 AM
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Yeah, you sure wouldn't want the will of the people to prevail. All good liberals know that the US Govt. knows what's best for the citizenry, not the citizenry itself.
The will of the people used to endorse slavery, prohibition, laws against interracial marriage, and other things. At the present time, nearly an equal number of Americans support same sex marriage as oppose it. The increase in support has dramatically increased in recent years
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Old 11-18-2011, 10:15 AM
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Yeah, you sure wouldn't want the will of the people to prevail. All good liberals know that the US Govt. knows what's best for the citizenry, not the citizenry itself.
In some areas, didn't the will of the people include lynch mobs, witch burnings, etc, etc? Wanna go for that? Or, I know it is a crazy idea, go with what the constitution says. Radical for sure but how about that?
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:08 PM
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The will of the people used to endorse slavery, prohibition, laws against interracial marriage, and other things. At the present time, nearly an equal number of Americans support same sex marriage as oppose it. The increase in support has dramatically increased in recent years
That would be an inconvenient truth that does not fit in with Larry's hatred of gays. He seems to see nothing wring with denying equal rights so long as it agrees with his POV.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:14 PM
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I believe a 3 judge panel of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has already heard the Constitutional arguments. They had applied to the CA Supreme Court for their interpretation on the party standing, so the Appeals Court decision could come rather quickly.

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