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Old 10-19-2010, 09:28 AM
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Ethanol is one of the biggest scams ever forced on the American people. What a load of crap.
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Old 10-19-2010, 09:33 AM
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Marvel Mystery Oil in the gasoline (according to the manufacturer) helps negate the harmful effects of ethanol.

So they say.
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Old 10-19-2010, 12:37 PM
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Marvel Mystery Oil in the gasoline (according to the manufacturer) helps negate the harmful effects of ethanol.

So they say.
Know any manufacturer that tells you "The product I am selling is crap"?

According to them it helps lubricity issues. Guess what! A test done proved it made it worse.

I have no faith in these snake oils. As far as I am concerned, all the are there to do is to fleece the customer. I would never use it unless they have tests done at an accredited lab using standard test procedures. But there is a reason they don't and rely on testimonials by customers.
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Ethanol is one of the biggest scams ever forced on the American people. What a load of crap.


The owner's manual for my new Grand Marquis says what a wonderful thing E85 ethanol is and that the car can run great on it all the time.

So, are all the FoMoCo execs a big bunch of piņatas full of lies?


Can I trade the car in on one that runs on "Stupid"?
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The owner's manual for my new Grand Marquis says what a wonderful thing E85 ethanol is and that the car can run great on it all the time.

So, are all the FoMoCo execs a big bunch of piņatas full of lies?


Can I trade the car in on one that runs on "Stupid"?
87, 89, 91, E85 or STUPID your choice. brought to you by the "do-gooders". 'cuz we've got to save the corn growers even if it means screwing our cars straight into the ground.
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Old 10-21-2010, 08:53 AM
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The owner's manual for my new Grand Marquis says what a wonderful thing E85 ethanol is and that the car can run great on it all the time.

So, are all the FoMoCo execs a big bunch of piņatas full of lies?


Can I trade the car in on one that runs on "Stupid"?
Well, if FoMoCo says it, I guess it must be true. Remember the ignition issue they had? They said it was great till...... And the fact that it helps lower their emissions so they can fit in has nothing to do with it. Sure.

I ran a truck designed to run on E85. Was miserable because the mileage sucked and the power sucked. Soon as we ran that tank low, we couldn't wait to fill up with the real stuff.
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A political solution to a non-existant problem.
I disagree. There is a problem. When my opponent has something to give the voters and I don't, there is a problem. The solution is to give them more. Kinda like I'll see your $20 and raise you $20.
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Old 10-23-2010, 06:12 PM
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I don't keep up with the E thing so I don't know what it cost. I do know it cost more than MTBE.

I also know that MTBE is water solvent, so it will not stratify like oil. Once it is blended with gasoline it is in there for good, and if the gasoline is released it will mix in with the groundwater while gasoline will rise to the surface.

By the way... Refined products are never 'leaked' from a pipeline. They are 'released'. I don't know who thought that up, but it is the term everyone in the industry uses.

E will also combine with water which is a good thing when it comes to getting water out of your gas tank.

The thing I don't like about E is the BTU content. I bought some E-85 in Kansas, where they grow a lot of corn, for $1.99 a gallon a few months ago and my mpg dropped by about 15%. It was fun to fill up at that price, but when you look at how many miles you get for your $1.99 you begin to see that it is not that great of a deal.
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I have a STRONG inclanation that MONSANTO is the main culprit pulling the strings behind this one.
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