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Old 02-07-2011, 10:43 AM
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Can you send my about $15,000 to cover the difference between our price-point and the MB?

Actually it's only $5,000 more then the Mitsubishi IF you can find a basic one.

I'm very curious to see what the pricing on the 250 is going to be like.

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Old 02-07-2011, 10:47 AM
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If it's not a SUV that we should get, which of the 4WD wagons would you recommend? I've always loved wagons, they have more storage space than sedans, and they're still fun to drive!
AWD in VA?

How about the Acura TSX wagon?

http://www.acura.com/modellanding.aspx?model=tsx%20sport%20wagon
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Old 02-07-2011, 10:54 AM
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Which Subaru? Outback or Forester?

Do you have reason to believe that you would be unhappy with the performance of a normally-aspirated 4-cylinder Subaru?
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Old 02-07-2011, 10:57 AM
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If it's not a SUV that we should get, which of the 4WD wagons would you recommend? I've always loved wagons, they have more storage space than sedans, and they're still fun to drive!
Find a good used E320 4matic for $20-25k. It will hold it's value much longer than any new SUV, it will carry stuff, and it will be much nicer to drive.

By only looking at new cars in that price range, you are severely limiting your options.
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Old 02-07-2011, 11:01 AM
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I looked at all of those and more. The Chevy Equinox blew them all away. Motor Week just did a comparison of 9 small SUV below 29K and also picked the Equinox.
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Old 02-07-2011, 11:07 AM
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Interesting review of the Cayenne by Warren Brown in Sundays Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/04/AR2011020402462.html
I love the Post, but have never liked Warren Brown's columns. For one thing, he seems to always start with what he doesn't like about the car being reviewed. For some cars, a negative approach is appropriate, but he seems to start with the negative in every case. His review of the Cayenne is a good example. He starts the column noting that his test car did not have a backup camera. Is that the sort of feature that he expects to be of interest in a review of a Porsche?

On the other hand, I completely agree with his view that it is hard to justify paying $93,000 for that car. It does seem like a particularly pointless vehicle.
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Old 02-07-2011, 11:10 AM
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Find a good used E320 4matic for $20-25k. It will hold it's value much longer than any new SUV, it will carry stuff, and it will be much nicer to drive.

By only looking at new cars in that price range, you are severely limiting your options.
I've thought about that, but have learned all too well the old adage: "There's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes." Also, premium fuel cost and mileage are a big factor.
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Old 02-07-2011, 11:12 AM
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I looked at all of those and more. The Chevy Equinox blew them all away. Motor Week just did a comparison of 9 small SUV below 29K and also picked the Equinox.
GM??? Maybe I'm too biased.
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GM??? Maybe I'm too biased.

I am a diehard Ford guy, it was that good

also MW review

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt3022a.shtml
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Old 02-07-2011, 11:15 AM
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Which Subaru? Outback or Forester?

Do you have reason to believe that you would be unhappy with the performance of a normally-aspirated 4-cylinder Subaru?
I'm thinking the Forester, but the Outback is nice too. I also want the performance help of the turbo.
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Old 02-07-2011, 11:17 AM
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I am a diehard Ford guy, it was that good

also MW review

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt3022a.shtml
I owned a Ford once. '83 Ford Escort. It died at 86,000 miles. 'Course that was during the horrible '80's when everything coming out of the States was garbage.
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Old 02-07-2011, 11:21 AM
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I owned a Ford once. '83 Ford Escort. It died at 86,000 miles. 'Course that was during the horrible '80's when everything coming out of the States was garbage.

none of the cars are the same as the 80's. I had a camaro that swore me off GM and a Toyota I bought new that rusted out from under me. All the car co's have figured out the quality needs so the playing field leveled off years ago for me.
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Old 02-07-2011, 11:27 AM
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Which Subaru? Outback or Forester?

Do you have reason to believe that you would be unhappy with the performance of a normally-aspirated 4-cylinder Subaru?
The 2.5 Outback has a CVT transmission and is pretty smooth. The 2.5 Forester has a conventional automatic that does the old 4 cyl/auto upshift/downshift shuffle. It's a pain.
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Old 02-07-2011, 11:29 AM
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I've thought about that, but have learned all too well the old adage: "There's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes." Also, premium fuel cost and mileage are a big factor.
If premium fuel is an issue, you better review the octane needs of the cars in question. I would be very surprised if the XT turbo is designed to sip 87.
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Old 02-07-2011, 11:35 AM
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If premium fuel is an issue, you better review the octane needs of the cars in question. I would be very surprised if the XT turbo is designed to sip 87.
You're right. It needs premium.

I'm beginning to feel like I want the best of too many worlds.....

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