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Old 02-08-2011, 11:41 PM
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That's what I call, "appalling ignorance".

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Old 02-08-2011, 11:43 PM
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Old 02-09-2011, 12:19 AM
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How do they get away with this. These kids are going to walk out of school with a jacked up view of science.
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Old 02-09-2011, 12:20 AM
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Hardly worth educating someone with ideas like that.
Are they in fact educable?

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More disturbing is that only 28% of public school science teachers teach evolution according to the standards recommended by the National Research Council, 60% apparently "compromise" on the teaching of evolution vs creationism (whatever that means), and 13% explicitly teach creationism in their classes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/08/science/08creationism.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=evolution%20biology&st=cse
My wife is a 7th/8th grade science teacher. Apparently the curriculum for these grades doesn't include evolution. Maybe thats in high school? Anyway, it's not possible to teach the formation of the solar system, plate tectonics etc without understanidng the timescales involved which inevitably sets off the tripwires in these morons brains. The intellectual gymnastics she has to go thru to not "offend' these vacuous idiots, the administration,and the imbecile parents are something that nobody in "education" should have to endure. My comments are that she should show them videos of Dawkins and Hitchens. Her concern of course is that would get her fired.

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I'm not religious, not a scientist; I am an engineer. All I wonder about is if there is evolution that occurs, would someone please point out the species in which this is happening right now? How many are jumping over the wall into something new? Or, did this evolution only occur in one species? If so, why? Did God cause it to evolve? Why can't dogs talk now, after being domesticated for such a long time? Why don't more animals have opposing thumbs when it helps with survival?
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Old 02-09-2011, 10:53 AM
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Are they in fact educable?

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The unfortunate answer to that question is yes. NYT had a story a couple of years ago about a guy getting his Ph.D in Earth Science for an eastern university (University of Rhode Island?) who believed the earth was 6000 yrs old. He was a professor at Liberty University.

I found it:
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The unfortunate answer to that question is yes. NYT had a story a couple of years ago about a guy getting his Ph.D in Earth Science for an eastern university (University of Rhode Island?) who believed the earth was 6000 yrs old. He was a professor at Liberty University.

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Then his degree isnt' worth ****. And I would contend he is not, in fact, educated, irrespective of what a piece of paper on is wall might claim.

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I'm not religious, not a scientist; I am an engineer. All I wonder about is if there is evolution that occurs, would someone please point out the species in which this is happening right now? How many are jumping over the wall into something new? Or, did this evolution only occur in one species? If so, why? Did God cause it to evolve? Why can't dogs talk now, after being domesticated for such a long time? Why don't more animals have opposing thumbs when it helps with survival?
Seriously? You have to be kidding. One recent example is that elephants in Africa are being born without tusks. More so in area of heavy poaching. So it appears that a century of heavy poaching caused a species to drop what was causing the poaching. I have no clue how the heck that works, but it is what it is.

Then you have the very basic version of evolution. Antibiotic resistant bacteria. Bacteria once treated with an antibiotic would be neutralized, but when people don't take the proper prescription some survive and quickly build an immunity that is devised in the next generation. In fact, anything (bugs for example) that devise a resistance to what was once a treatment is an evolutionary trait.
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I'm not religious, not a scientist; I am an engineer. All I wonder about is if there is evolution that occurs, would someone please point out the species in which this is happening right now? How many are jumping over the wall into something new? Or, did this evolution only occur in one species? If so, why? Did God cause it to evolve? Why can't dogs talk now, after being domesticated for such a long time? Why don't more animals have opposing thumbs when it helps with survival?
Evolution on a macro scale doenst occur in short time periods, like centuries etc. For that you need to look at the microbial world, as was mentioned by Landyacht. Medicine is in a continuous battle with evolution. New drugs would not be necessary if evolution did not occur.

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Seriously? You have to be kidding. One recent example is that elephants in Africa are being born without tusks. More so in area of heavy poaching. So it appears that a century of heavy poaching caused a species to drop what was causing the poaching. I have no clue how the heck that works, but it is what it is.

Then you have the very basic version of evolution. Antibiotic resistant bacteria. Bacteria once treated with an antibiotic would be neutralized, but when people don't take the proper prescription some survive and quickly build an immunity that is devised in the next generation. In fact, anything (bugs for example) that devise a resistance to what was once a treatment is an evolutionary trait.
had not heard that about the elephants, but I can't imagine that tusklessness would be because of evolution b/c of poaching.

bacteria, ok that is an evolution, but I want evidence of evolution on a grand scale: talking dogs, flying monkeys, cats with thumbs, etc. I am not doubting but I want to see it.
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Old 02-09-2011, 11:09 AM
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Humans did not evolve from monkeys.
What does that mean? Do humans and monkeys share a common ancestor, or something? I took a bunch of science and engineering classes back in the day, but, as the song says, don't know much biology.

The thing I find funny is how some creationists speak with such pride when they say that they didn't evolve from monkeys. What do they have against monkeys?
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Old 02-09-2011, 11:13 AM
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Evolution on a macro scale doenst occur in short time periods, like centuries etc. For that you need to look at the microbial world, as was mentioned by Landyacht. Medicine is in a continuous battle with evolution. New drugs would not be necessary if evolution did not occur.

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how long did it take monkeys to jump the fence into the bipedal maximus region, aka homo sapiens? centuries,millenia? or did it just occur relatively quickly? and why? we see bacteria evolving in order to survive the onslaught of drugs, but monkeys still exist, even after something caused some of them to change to homo sapiens. Why didnt all monkeys evolve? Why was man formed by this evolution, and are we the only species aware of our evolvement? Do other living organisms have concious thought? If not, why?
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Old 02-09-2011, 11:15 AM
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...bacteria, ok that is an evolution, but I want evidence of evolution on a grand scale: talking dogs, flying monkeys, cats with thumbs, etc. I am not doubting but I want to see it.
I don't mean to be flip about it, but I think you need a library, not a Mercedes website, if you want to see evidence of evolution. My understanding is that it takes years of study of fossils and other matters to understand the case for and against evolution. For those who don't have the time or inclination to do that, we have to rely on the experts, who overwhelmingly believe in evolution.

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