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The role of the teacher is to provide the student with tools that they can use unassisted. I gave you the tool. You blame me for your inability to use it.

FAIL.
uh, who said you were the teacher? (tho i know you fancy yourself as one) pedant? you decide.

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Old 04-21-2011, 09:05 AM
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Makes them feel special, business as usual isn't to exciting for some. They dream of a Mad Max future.
I really think that is true. You can find similar whining from every period of time in history.
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Old 04-21-2011, 09:17 AM
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Well, Bot,
Since this is your class, take responsibility and get it under control.
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Old 04-21-2011, 09:54 AM
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I don't have any issue with working hard for their money, I don't think anyone does.

It's the greed that bugs most people. Look at the price of diesel vs. gasoline. Isn't gas more expensive to produce? Used to be.

http://www.epi.org/economic_snapshots/entry/webfeatures_snapshots_20060621/

http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/

Reinvest the excess instead of just sitting on it. Perhaps you'll make another fortune.
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If it is agreed that too large a salary range across a company is "bad", how would you address it?
Is the "cure" worse than the original problem?
Whose business is it to insure " fairness" in this matter?

I tend to place the fault on the Boards of Directors who prefer "ole boy network" to their fiduciary responsibilities to stock-holders and employees. I am not sure there is a real-world solution.
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Wrong. Many now challenge that naive assumption. Financial historian Niall Ferguson comments in his "Rise and Fall of the American Empire:" "Collapse may come much more suddenly than many historians imagine. Fiscal deficits and military overstretch suggests that the United States may be the next empire on the precipice. Many nations in history, at the very peak of their power, affluence and glory, see leaders arise, run amok with imperial visions and sabotage themselves, their people and their nation."[/I]
Wow. Someone else here has read Ferguson. Neat. It's an interesting book all right.

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Good grief.
I think you are spot on. 'Good Grief' is probably an excellent definition for 'earning', these days.
So, earning equals deserving? How about terms like 'over/under-paid'?
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If it is agreed that too large a salary range across a company is "bad", how would you address it?
Is the "cure" worse than the original problem?
Whose business is it to insure " fairness" in this matter?

I tend to place the fault on the Boards of Directors who prefer "ole boy network" to their fiduciary responsibilities to stock-holders and employees. I am not sure there is a real-world solution.
The Mondragon Cooperatives provide a real world effective solution.
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What gives you the right to assume that any directed 'fairness' is useful, functional, or desirable?
I've never met him personally but just off hand I would suggest that education, experience, and breathing air gives him the right to inquire into the nature and wisdom of this or that behavior.

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Money is without desire, conscience, wisdom, folly, attitude, etc. It is a tool. People use tools. It's what we do.
Well yes, that sounds informed and dryly analytical but it misses the point. The society as a whole enforces the power and possession of money, the national govt. has some influence on the function of money.

It is in society's interest to interfere with activities that diminish the integrity of money. It would be nice if a magic hand regulated these matters for the good of all, w/o complicated mechanisms administered by people. My take is that the inclination for plunder runs deep and must be guarded against.
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Old 04-21-2011, 12:30 PM
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Wow. Someone else here has read Ferguson. Neat. It's an interesting book all right.

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I've not read the whole book. I was quoting from the piece. I've read bits and pieces of Ferguson and heard lengthy radio interviews. I'm not down with his every opinion but he is well worth a listen.

Maybe I should read that one for real.
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Interesting read in this month's Atlantic:

Secret Fears of the Super Rich

I love the intro . .

The October 2008 issue of SuperYacht World confirmed it: money cannot buy happiness. Page 38 of “the international magazine for superyachts of distinction”—if you have to ask what it takes for a yacht to qualify as “super,” you can’t afford to be in the showroom—presented the Martha Ann, a 230-foot, $125 million boat boasting a crew of 20, a master bedroom the size of my house, and an interior gaudy enough to make Saddam Hussein blush.

The feature story on the Martha Ann was published just as the S&P 500 suffered its worst week since 1933, shedding $1.4 trillion over the course of the week, or about 2,240 Martha Anns every day. Still, one of the captions accompanying the lavish photos betrayed the status anxiety that afflicts even the highest echelons of wealth. “From these LOFTY HEIGHTS,” the caption promised, “guests will be able to look down on virtually any other yacht.” Virtually any other yacht! One imagines the prospective owner wincing at this disclaimer, pained by the knowledge that the world would still contain superyachts more super than his own, that at least one gazillionaire in Saint-Tropez harbor would likely be able to peer over his gunwales and down at the Martha Ann.


You may want to have an Irish linen hanky ready as you read about their sorry lot in life . . .
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uh, who said you were the teacher? (tho i know you fancy yourself as one) pedant? you decide.
Uh, you. #17.

Way to easy. Go get a friend.
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Old 04-21-2011, 02:13 PM
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The Mondragon Cooperatives provide a real world effective solution.
Great. Start one.
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Old 04-21-2011, 02:14 PM
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So, earning equals deserving? How about terms like 'over/under-paid'?
The market.
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Great. Start one.
I didn't think this thread was about whether people wanted to start businesses or not. It about whether or not super-rich capitalists are destroying America. Lets keep on topic.

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