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Old 05-15-2011, 03:34 PM
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Experts blame speculators for oil prices

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/05/13/114190/speculation-explains-more-about.html
I guess the difference between an expert and an analysts is the expert seeks the facts were as the analysts can make up the facts.

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Old 05-15-2011, 03:39 PM
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Ive alwayd thought they should limit the purchase of oil to those that transport store or refine. Speculators have no busisness using this to make profit. 1000 guys basically screw the whole world
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Old 05-15-2011, 04:00 PM
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If the conclusions are correct then it should be stopped.
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Old 05-15-2011, 04:01 PM
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The devalued dollar can't be helping much either.
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Old 05-15-2011, 04:15 PM
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I could just imagine everybody trading in gold or wheat or pork bellies taking possession of their various commodities. In that way, only big dealers would get to play.

Yeah, that's a good idea.
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Old 05-15-2011, 04:31 PM
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I could just imagine everybody trading in gold or wheat or pork bellies taking possession of their various commodities. In that way, only big dealers would get to play.

Yeah, that's a good idea.
Actually it would be pretty funny. A guy has three warehouses of rotting pork bellies, etc.
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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/05/13/114190/speculation-explains-more-about.html
I guess the difference between an expert and an analysts is the expert seeks the facts were as the analysts can make up the facts.
"Experts" have been saying that for 4 years or more.
EM CEO Tillerson told congress oil would be $60-$70 a bbl if not for speculators.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/05/guest-post-exxon-ceo-admits-that-oil-should-be-60-70-dollars-a-barrel-based-on-supply-and-demand.html
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Old 05-15-2011, 04:59 PM
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We need Congress to control free market capitalism. Congress has done such a fine job controlling health care and the nation's borders, how could it go wrong?
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Old 05-15-2011, 05:06 PM
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We need Congress to control free market capitalism. Congress has done such a fine job controlling health care and the nation's borders, how could it go wrong?
Market regulation has been used for thousands of years. In a healthy market the markets themselves are self-policed. They need confidence in the markets as much as everyone else.

Say what you will about congress, and I'd be hard pressed to disagree, the voters put them there. If people aren't happy look in the mirror.
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First what makes this guy an Expert, he is a former LAW professor, not economics or something closely related to the field that would have the knowledge.
Then I don't trust lawyers, they'll take whatever side gets them the most bucks.

Now, again speculators have upset the market AND are responsible for some of the price increases, DECREASEs and volatility, IMHO 5 to 10 %.

Funny though as the value of the % fell Oil went up, as the $ strengthened the price of Oil fell.

Add in much of the current over supply is the wrong 'heavy' oil, most refineries want the light sweet oil.
Add in a lot of weather issue's lately refineries down, pipelines etc having issue's moving both the oil and the refined products etc ....
Add in problems in the middle east, I think they are causing "some" issue's, probably more than they should but they also do have some effect.
Add in Emerging market countries (China ...) are importing more and more Oil.
Finally add in the EPA and their multitude of formulations need for summer gas.
I bet there are probably at lease a couple of more things you can throw in.

Add all of these together and you have lots of problems, more than enough to hang your hat on speculators as the cause.
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Old 05-15-2011, 05:38 PM
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IMHO we need a tax structure which discourages speculation by taxing gains on a sliding scale. The shorter the holding time the more tax is paid on the gain.

Simple.

These stock and futures transactions that take place in seconds can destabilize the entire global economy. Why allow it so a few people can enrich themselves?
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Taken from the link ChasH posted above.
Funny how one person gets taught by the teacher what Commodity Market means and that is the Exxon Ceo
Rex W.Tillerson
"Were not Traders ,were observers ,were price takers.The market decides ,on their view,which is a a view of the future,whats going to be the availability of the oil sometime in the future,and the market trys to decide on that on a host of things they worry about and then it translates that price on today ,and thats the price we take.Thats the nature of a commodity."

Senator Cantwell
"I disagree ,I dont think thats the nature of a commodity,the commodity markets were established to basically prevent,or lessen the risk that individual users have to take and now with 70% of the market being driven by speculators that are not the end takers of any given product I think your seeing this price driven way in excess of what the fundamentals of $60 to $70 a barrel that you say what would be supply and damand."
So ,thank you Mr Chairman .
The SENATOR is spot on in my book.
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Old 05-15-2011, 05:44 PM
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Blaming traders for prices is like blaming flies for shyte.
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Old 05-15-2011, 05:53 PM
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Senator Cantwell
"I disagree ,I dont think thats the nature of a commodity,the commodity markets were established to basically prevent,or lessen the risk that individual users have to take and now with 70% of the market being driven by speculators that are not the end takers of any given product I think your seeing this price driven way in excess of what the fundamentals of $60 to $70 a barrel that you say what would be supply and damand."
So ,thank you Mr Chairman .
The SENATOR is spot on in my book.
I'm sure the CEOs of the oil cos are glad to blame speculators for the high price of oil and hence gasoline.


Can some one translate the senators remarks into a cogent statement?
Is he agreeing with Tillerson?
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Old 05-15-2011, 05:54 PM
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It's hard to track down specifics but I've read more than once that such speculation with food items had a not insignificant connection to the urge among the people in Korea and Vietnam to experiment with communism.

I'm not going to advocate that but it does underscore the value in maintaining fair and honest markets else the working class begins to bridle under the belief that they are struggling in order to enrich a class of idlers.

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