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Old 06-27-2011, 05:49 PM
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here's two of my favorites.

the Cord prototype.... what a beautiful automobile.

maybe nate will tell us more about it.
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Old 06-27-2011, 08:30 PM
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Cool cars!

Jay Leno has 8 of them, including that one off stream lined one that cost $25k!
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Old 06-27-2011, 08:53 PM
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What a great job! Those Cord L29s had front wheel drive. Unique for its day!
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Old 06-27-2011, 10:29 PM
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The museum owns 3 model J's and has 2 model A's on loan. The model A is VERY significant itself. There is also a Model X on loan. Only 13 X's were made. Also have the only Model Y prototype on loan. Come and see the Model J engine on stand. It looks enormous, but when you look at it from the end you see the economy of material. Fred Duesenburg was a genius on a bad day. When you see a Duesenburg engine it makes you wonder why we are not more advanced today.

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I think they are the best cars in the world, still to this day.

A guess a modern equivalent would be a Veyron?

The super charged Duesenburg straight 8 was the most powerful production engine for what 25 years?

I think its hard today for people to understand how much of a leap they were, since nothing comparable really exists today.
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I think they are the best cars in the world, still to this day.

A guess a modern equivalent would be a Veyron?

The super charged Duesenberg straight 8 was the most powerful production engine for what 25 years?

I think its hard today for people to understand how much of a leap they were, since nothing comparable really exists today.
There was a Veyron on loan for a a while. It was "owned" by that SOB Timothy Durham who put a serious black eye on the museum and greatly affected my friend who was the curator.

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I think they are the best cars in the world, still to this day.

A guess a modern equivalent would be a Veyron?

The super charged Duesenberg straight 8 was the most powerful production engine for what 25 years?

I think its hard today for people to understand how much of a leap they were, since nothing comparable really exists today.
Consider this, the J engine is 265HP from 420cu. in. (6.9L). Not impressive by today's standards, but that was done with only a 5:1 compression ratio!!! The SJ was simply bolt-on super charger for 8:1 compression ratio to boost the power to 325HP. Last year at the festival some of the J owners went to a local drag strip and raced. Many people could not believe that anyone would do that. I would tell them 'that engine is not even working itself for its power'.

The Model A Duesenberg was an 88HP engine from a 251 cu. in. (4.1L) block. That was unheard of power from displacement off of the race track in its day.
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Old 06-28-2011, 10:35 PM
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Years ago I asked an old mechanic what was the reason for the V-12 and V-16's. Power? Nope. According to him it was smoothness.

Back in the 30's spark plugs just did not last more than than 8,000 miles if even that much. If a plug stopped firing and you had a four you could really feel the engine shake. If you had a six not so much and if you had an eight cylinder you could feel it but it was not that bad.

However, if you had a v-12 you could not feel it at all since you had 11 other cylinders firing. With a v-16 the smoothness of the engine was almost perfect, but the pistons were starting to get rather small which led to problems of its' own.

All in all it is amazing that Cord could get so much right when all he had to work stuff out with was a slide-rule. I guess they made up for a lack of modern tech with good old craftsmanship.
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Consider this, the J engine is 265HP from 420cu. in. (6.9L). Not impressive by today's standards, but that was done with only a 5:1 compression ratio!!! The SJ was simply bolt-on super charger for 8:1 compression ratio to boost the power to 325HP. Last year at the festival some of the J owners went to a local drag strip and raced. Many people could not believe that anyone would do that. I would tell them 'that engine is not even working itself for its power'.

The Model A Duesenberg was an 88HP engine from a 251 cu. in. (4.1L) block. That was unheard of power from displacement off of the race track in its day.
Last year they were drag racing on a temperarly closed airport runway. If I remember corectly, the FAA required that their had to be some planes on exhibet in order for the air strip to be closed.

The concern about running them hard, according to several owners, was the crankshafts are know to become "brittle" from their age and breaking one could get quite expensive.
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The museum owns 3 model J's and has 2 model A's on loan. The model A is VERY significant itself. There is also a Model X on loan. Only 13 X's were made. Also have the only Model Y prototype on loan. Come and see the Model J engine on stand. It looks enormous, but when you look at it from the end you see the economy of material. Fred Duesenburg was a genius on a bad day. When you see a Duesenburg engine it makes you wonder why we are not more advanced today.
Hope it's OK to upload the pictures I took at the museum.

Ignore the grumpy guy standing in front of the 300SL. He was bummed out after the museum told him he couldn't take it home!!!

Unbelievably I didn't take any pictures of a 810 or 812. I was so caught up with the early 30s cars.
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Here's more.
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And one more.

That's all I took.
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Hope it's OK to upload the pictures I took at the museum.

Ignore the grumpy guy standing in front of the 300SL. He was bummed out after the museum told him he couldn't take it home!!!

Unbelievably I didn't take any pictures of a 810 or 812. I was so caught up with the early 30s cars.
The burgendy and black one does it for me, I know it does't have anything to do with these beaut's but I know where a lincoln flathead V12 is for $1000.00 And think the block is good.
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Old 06-30-2011, 03:37 PM
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Sounds of glory:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3UNH4Hs-n4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W55q-pQQDCM

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That is the E1 prototype. Fred Duesenberg had much input. Erret Cord wanted a V16. Fred convinced him a V12 would do the job. The E1 was build in 1932. EL Cord wanted a car bigger than the Duesenberg J. But they could not sell Deusenberg J chassis so Cord ordered Fred to destroy the E1. Fred could not bring himself to do it. Rather he disassembled the car and put it in storage in pieces. The E1 is @$#%@$% long!!!! As a side note....you will see Duesnberg J's from 1929-1937. The 485 +/- chassis were all built in 1929. It just took that long to sell a $8500+ chassis without body.

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