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Is fooling around the same as banging nastiest or are we still circling the bases?

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Originally Posted by davidmash (Post 2774514)

It's not a matter of giving up. It is a matter of dealing with reality. The numbers show it does not work. US teen pregnancy is the highest in the waster nations IIRC.

Still no idea what you are talking about.

If you cannot have a discussion with your kid or if the external influences are stronger than your influences it strikes me that you might have a parenting problem or that your position is untenable.

Homosexuality is part of sexuality in general. Sexual activity is starting in 8th and 9th grade. I am pretty sure cunnilingus and ménage à trois are not taught in any sex ed class so I fail t see the relevance of that comment. Yes they are kids, and guess what. Hormones are part of kids chemistry. By 18, the guys hormones are at full speed and the genetic code is telling him to nail anything with a pulse. Telling a 18 yr old boy to just say no is just plain stupid. Some will, most will not and giving them the tools to not get a girl pregnant is a much wiser path. Or we can just continue down our current path of ignorance and have one of the highest rates of teen pregnancy.

OH cry me a river.

Bottom line is the US had been teaching your agenda for quite some time and you liked it just fine. Now your agenda s out of sync with more and more people and the segments of society who were neglected by your agenda are now speaking out. Your agenda is out of date, step aside or get run over. Your choice.

In this thread the issue is level of educational excellence.

You obfuscation aside the approaches you embrace coincide with a decrease in educational levels.

I want my k-5 school teaching basic education. I do not want them teaching values I find flawed.

So I oppose the current education system.

That's my agenda.

And you are right it is out of fashion, so is the caliber of our citizens.

What China did to the g-town kids it, India, Brazil, etc is doing to the US, and we're making it easier.

You'll be able to enjoy the fruits of your approach during your life time.

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OH good grief. The decline of the education has nothing to do with the increase in scope of education. If anything I think our delay in increasing the scope is what harmed it. So many people felt left out of the equation that they figured why bother.

Then there are the other factors that were mentioned else where about the lack of parental participation, single family homes, diet .. etc. The education system is sound, its the users that have declined in spite of the systems best efforts.

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Originally Posted by davidmash (Post 2774537)

Is fooling around the same as banging nastiest or are we still circling the bases?

I know of 3 11-12 year old girls pregnant in the last 5 years, and two 7th grade abortions. I had suspicions about several other girls who left school to be "home schooled" over the same time frame. Last year the new principal at my school intercepted a cell phone belonging to an 8th grade boy that was full of very explicit "sexts" that had been sent to him by an 11 year old 6th grader. My school is middle to lower middle class, 90 percent white working class, rural. If I were to extrapolate these facts to city schools where kids are far more worldly and sophisticated it wouldn't be pretty.

:eek: Holy crap. I guess that explains our leading the race in teen pregnancy. Ignorance is not always bliss.

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Originally Posted by davidmash (Post 2774545)

Title of the Thread -

Had education quality decreased and if so do we keep on doing the same stuff

You'll have taken it all over the place

It seems many here do not believe the overall quality has decreased.

Fine. Show me a nation-wide 6th grade text book that compares to what was used in 1900?

Whenever I post factual, tangible criteria the conversation runs away, often to either anecdotal or derision.

Next, since it has decline do we keep on doing the same, increase the same approach or pursue an alternative.

I'd prefer each tax-payer had control over a percentage of their education tax dollar and chose which school, program, method was funded.

Ideas, conversation, alternatives -

Preferable to emphatic reiteration of preferences without an objective basis.

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You seem to think it's the system. From what I have read, most/some here think it's the user. If you d not want to hear the reply's, don't post the question.

I already suggested the idea of having public trade schools and removing the stigma attached the idea of working with your hands.

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Originally Posted by davidmash (Post 2774567)

I already suggested the idea of having public trade schools and removing the stigma attached the idea of working with your hands.

And I already said, I think that is a good idea.

I think what I am saying is called school choice. I've introduced the rationale and discussed it.

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Originally Posted by sjh (Post 2774571)

And I already said, I think that is a good idea.

I think what I am saying is called school choice. I've introduced the rationale and discussed it.

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gee, i think the "voucher" talking points memo is about to posted, right about now.

3, 2, 1,....

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 2774095)

I went to school till 16 and went to KY. Went back to that place to fulfill my legal obligation to the country and serve in the draft there. After my 731 days in the military, I left as fast as I could back to Sioux Falls, SD to continue my schooling.

For some reason, something does not smell right.
May I ask..'At the age of 16, did you go to the U.S. thinking that somehow you could escape the National Service in Singapore'..

And at some point realised that it would be a better choice to return and fulfill your obligation? Thereby doing so.

At the age of 16, I dont believe you could have entered colledge in the states (correct me if I am wrong), so perhaps you simply went to visit freinds/relatives, and got the idea that the U.S. would be agreat place to hide out/flake out/maybee become a citizen there.

Or perhaps it was your intention at the age of 16 to re-patriate yourself in the U.S., and you went there,scoped everything out then returned to Spore to finish N.S. And then returned to the U.S. to finish your schooling, and fulfill your lifes dream.

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Originally Posted by chilcutt (Post 2774655)

NS Deferment. You or your parents put up a cash bond and if you don't come back, well, goodbye money.

No it wasn't my choice to return. But I can't very well ask you to put up bond money and skip, can I?

I spent 2 years at a college so besides alcohol, I did study other things.

It was my dream to get the hell out of singapore since I was a kid. It was confirmed in 80 when we took a US tour. I was just going to college to pass some time till I was forced to serve my time in NS. Took the appropriate tests and qualified for a state school