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Old 09-13-2011, 08:32 PM
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So then what determines whether a belief is right or left is not the belief itself but the context in which that belief exists.

Partly correct. The context of the study is much narrower than the political options that are available to humans. For instance, one could argue there are left wing Pentecostals who are in favor of letting women speak in church and right wing Pentecostals who oppose letting women speak in church. But in the broad political spectrum, both those beliefs are right wing.

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What do cannibals and kings think of the broadcast spectrum? What about one-legged croatian immigrants?
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Old 09-13-2011, 08:40 PM
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Partly correct. The context of the study is much narrower than the political options that are available to humans. For instance, one could argue there are left wing Pentecostals who are in favor of letting women speak in church and right wing Pentecostals who oppose letting women speak in church. But in the broad political spectrum, both those beliefs are right wing.
So Lawrence Saunder sitting there telling us he's a socialist means he's really a right winger because he exists within a allegedly capitalist society.

Tell me do you indoctrinate your students in this bull$hit
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So Lawrence Saunder sitting there telling us he's a socialist means he's really a right winger because he exists within a allegedly capitalist society.

Tell me do you indoctrinate your students in this bull$hit
Did I ever write that socialists were not socialists?
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Old 09-13-2011, 08:57 PM
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Yeah, a lot of libs loved Hitler. Henry Ford, Prescott Bush, Charles Lindbergh... All of them did business with Adolf. A lot of radical left types in that group.

Can you name the only American company to take out ads in German newspapers during the war saying it was firmly on the side of the Nazi's and was proud to be among their supporters? Hint: It was not owned by a Democrat. (To be fair the ads were placed by their German subsidiary. In that way the owner of the company could, and did, sell war materials to the US and to Germany.)

If what you say is correct then there would have been no need for the Fairness Doctrine and the US would have had television broadcasting in major cities by 1938. As it was the first public display of television in the US was at the New York Worlds Fair in 1939. There was a Patent dispute to settle in the US, but all that would have taken to clear up was money and the Germans had lots of it.

RCA (Radio Corporation of America) owned the US rights to television. RCA was run by David Sarnoff, a Russian Jew, who felt no compulsion to do business with the Nazis. This was another roadblock to the Nazis starting their television broadcasting in the US.

(By the way, the first television was really broadcast in England in 1929 but the resolution was only 30 lines so it was very hard to see. In 1935 everyone switched to the Marconi system which transmitted in 405 lines. This was the system the Germans used. They had no part in inventing any part of it. They just saw it as a great way to control the masses.)

And Nazi Fascism was a product of the left? Well, that's a new one. I guess I should pay more attention to right wing e-mails in the future.

Read up on a little movement called The German American Bund. Would you consider them a left wing movement? On second thought, perhaps you should skip reading about this group. I would hate to be the one to cause you to lose your faith since there are many parallels between the German American Bund and today's Republican Party. For one: They both hate Unions. There are other examples, but you can read about them if you wish.

Amazing historical fact.... The Bund was the first group in the US to refer to themselves as 'Real Americans'.

And don't confuse the Bund with the America First Committee which was dedicated to keeping America out of the war. They disbanded right after Dec. 7th, 1941 because America was then at war and many of their members joined the Armed Forces to defeat our enemies. Two members of this group were Gerald R. Ford and John F. Kennedy, so it was not one sided with it came to politics.
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Old 09-13-2011, 09:01 PM
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Botnst.....

I have given deep thought to your last question, and I have come to the realization that I don't know everything.
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Me neither. I'm fixin' to cut off my leg so I can find out what it's really like to be physically impaired as only somebody who has walked in their shoe can speak to their condition.
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W.E.B DuBois believed National Socialism could be a model for economic organization. He wrote that the formation of the Nazi dictatorship was " absolutely necessary to get the state in order.". He gave a speech in 1937 in Harlem in which he proclaimed, " There is today, in some respects, more democracy in Germany than there has been in years past."
FDR's defenders openly admitted their admiration of fascism. Rexford Guy Tugwell, a member of FRD's brain trust said, " Its the cleanest, neatest most efficiently operating piece of social machinery I've ever seen. It makes me envious".
( from Liberal fascism" by Jonah Goldberg
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I never said it looked center. I think it is right of center since there are very few non-capitalists in the mainstream media. Mainstream media runs from completely unregulated capitalism on the right end to regulated capitalism on the left end, but this left end is still right of center if capitalism is right of center.
You, on the other hand, stated that it was hugely left. I asked for evidence. Nothing forthcoming so far.

Okay, how about this example. GWB was excoriated in the press over Enron when there was absolutely no government involvement and the donation to his campaign was the same as that given to Gore's campaign.

Solyndra, on the other hand, has government and individual democrat political fingerprints all over it, wasting ONE HALF BILLION DOLLARS taxpayer money and there's hardly any reporting of this at all in the mainstream media, much less the OUTCRY that it deserevs. If this is not an example of a left leaning press, then I just can't come up with one.

BTW, again, if you're on the left wing tip, then the mainstream media would INDEED look to be right of center as YOU observe. So, you are correct from YOUR viewpoint.

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Looking back at that first post I see it was a mistake to mention FOX or Rush. The whole left/right debate was not my intention or my concern with the issue. Sorry, bad joke.

Cable is carried on public right of way which is also part of the "public trust" and the issue of airways was splitting hairs and only relevent after some really expensive lobbying. Best government money can buy.

The "public trust" concept is just as dead as The Fairness Doctrine. The Fairness Doctrine is a fallen domino in the trend toward the loss of the public trust which is at least one of the cornerstones, or perhaps the foundation, of our democratic system. Some would argue that the democratic system is also lost and all that is left is "Disneyworld Version" of its former self. Alas, it must have been nice while it lasted.

The real point here is that EVERYTHING in the media should be first considered entertainment and secondarily as possibly valid information.

Don't be a news junkie.
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Looking back at that first post I see it was a mistake to mention FOX or Rush. The whole left/right debate was not my intention or my concern with the issue. Sorry, bad joke.

Cable is carried on public right of way which is also part of the "public trust" and the issue of airways was splitting hairs and only relevent after some really expensive lobbying. Best government money can buy.

The "public trust" concept is just as dead as The Fairness Doctrine. The Fairness Doctrine is a fallen domino in the trend toward the loss of the public trust which is at least one of the cornerstones, or perhaps the foundation, of our democratic system. Some would argue that the democratic system is also lost and all that is left is "Disneyworld Version" of its former self. Alas, it must have been nice while it lasted.

The real point here is that EVERYTHING in the media should be first considered entertainment and secondarily as possibly valid information.

Don't be a news junkie.

Very good post!
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Twitch,
I can agree with your last post.
Thanks for clarifying.
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For a truly non slanted view of the news going on in America, Try BBC world news. THere is normaly a 10-15 min segment on concerning the USA. Or as one of their joking commentaters put it " And today in the colonies"
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Truly Non Slanted? You are kidding, right?
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Truly Non Slanted? You are kidding, right?
"Truly Non Slanted" really means, " Agrees with my bias"

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