If the article is right, maybe he didn't.

He has said under oath that he saw Sandusky raping what appeared to be a 10-year-old boy. He immediately left, met with his father and determined he would report the incident to Paterno, according to prosecutors. A person familiar with his account said McQueary did not spare the details when he met with Paterno. Nor did he when he met with the university’s athletic director and another senior administrator, the man in charge of Penn State’s campus police.

IF that is correct he did report it to the campus police in a sense.

I'll bite. So where is the body? With Jimmy Hoffa

I never said I was not outraged about the victims and I'll thank you not to make assumptions about me. I've said more than once that child molestation is a horrible crime.

I had not seen the GJ summary, thank you for noting it was online. For others who would like to review it, it is here: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/Sandusky.pdf

Reading that, it seems that Sandusky really is little more than scum, or the scum that scum insults and craps on. Indeed, he set up a foundation to help disadvantaged young boys, which seems to be where he got most of his victims.

As to Paterno, this is the salient passage:

Since that summarizes Paterno's own testimony, then I would conclude that he had a meaningful reason to know what occurred, and I would also agree that he had a greater duty to follow up to ensure that an appropriate investigation occurred, and if that included reporting what he had heard to the police, then he should have done so. Legally he was in the clear, but morally, wow, did he fail.

Of course when you read the GJ summary, you'll also find out that the police ignored some of the later reports, too. Indeed, it seems likely that had Paterno called the police, it would have been the University Police, who had four years EARLIER closed an investigation as to the sixth victim:

It's deplorable that everyone treated this internally. Even the mother: why didn't she call the state police or even her local police department? Why call the university police (doesn't everyone pretty much regard them as little more than rent-a-cops anyway)?


All of that said, had Paterno followed up in 2002 when the incident was reported to him, it wouldn't have spared any of the other victims. All 8 were into the Sandusky abuse scheme by then anyway.


Overall, the GJ summary is really, really sad. There is more than enough blame to go around. Indeed, it seems like Penn State's culture nearly parrots the catholic church regarding pedophile priests...but don't get me started on that. :rolleyes:

I am not really following this story as I have little interest in sports but something I did notice while watching the news today was the lack of coverage regarding the victims. Everyone was concerned about the Coach(s) and tbe players and the games. What about the kids li es that have been affected for the rest of their lives? How about a riot for them?

You got that right.

I don't see how these guys can put the reputation of the institution above the protection of children.

It seems more than anything else, the protection of children should be paramount.

Perhaps they are trying to put their own personal reputation above others.

Medal of Freedom Award Nomination Recinded for Paterno


Sens. Bob Casey and Pat Toomey today rescinded their nomination of long-time Penn State football coach Joe Paterno to receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Casey and Toomey nominated Paterno for the nation`s highest civilian honor Sept. 7 to recognize him for amassing more wins than any coach in Division I history during his 45-year tenure.

I think only "Bear" Bryant and John Wooden are the only sports figures whose careers coaching have been awarded the medal.

This is the saddest part to me. The kid is being raped, someone walks in, and he hopes he might be saved, and the guy walks away.

“The graduate assistant, who was familiar with Sandusky, was going to put some newly purchased sneakers in his locker and get some recruiting tapes to watch. It was about 9:30 p.m. As the graduate assistant entered the locker room doors, he was surprised to find the lights and showers on. He then heard rhythmic, slapping sounds. He believed the sounds to be those of sexual activity. As the graduate assistant put the sneakers in his locker, he looked into the shower. He saw a naked boy, Victim 2, whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant was shocked but noticed that both Victim 2 and Sandusky saw him. The graduate assistant left immediately, distraught.”

Moral of the story is "When the chips are down, there is only one person you can count on to protect you. That same guy you see in the bathroom mirror.".

From this article: NYT: Paterno aide engulfed in Penn St. case - US news - The New York Times - msnbc.com

Well, the one organization that is not rushing to judgment is . . . the NCAA.

NCAA Will Monitor Situation While Investigation Proceeds

This is all about protecting the sacred institution of college football. It makes me sick. Clearly, protecting the program was of primary importance. They should all be in jail, from the old geezer on down. Screw them and their precious football.

Anybody else besides me find it odd that Paterno finds out about the rape early on Saturday morning and doesn't report it until the next day. If you found out a 10 yr old had been raped in your place of business the night before, how long would it take you to call the police?

I find it odd, too....and he tells his athletic director and washes his hand of it. We now know that least one other boy was later sexually assaulted.

Ditto that.

Are those facts pretty well established? I would prefer not to read any more of this sickening news coverage.As long as it took to find the phone.

Well, Paterno is a Catholic, and, basically a dictator of his football program. Neither of those institutions, historically, have been ardent proponents of free speech, honesty, openness, etc. As always - i know, in many of my posts - i must bring up that four letter word: cult.

Lot's of money involved. Heckuva note ain't it.

"got a quahtah for an old altah boy faddah?"

It isn't about football per se. It is about saving their own skin. If you were them, there is NO way this comes out making you look good.

A sad sordid affair which has strong and unfortunate parallels with the priest and molestation scandal.

a few more comments:
1. People need to go to jail.
2. The university needs to pay a lot of money to the victims.
3. If we now know of eight victims there are sure to be more.

How so? There are people being fired. In the RC church, they shuffle them to other places with the pope's consent.

isn't there some joke about priests which ends with "coke and a candy bar"?

anyway, Paterno is a silly old catholic authoritarian - i know, as opposed to a silly young catholic authoritarian - who has been selling the same old soap for years. sadly, the reaction from the young, rioting college kids last night showed that they are such dumb sheep that they fell for the whole thing, hook, line and sinker. sports and fascism have always sold well, think hitler and the '36 olympics, and the unforgettable contributions of leni riefenstahl and "olympiad". even our ex governor, "ahnold", spoke of his fascination with the nazis and their rallies and masses of obedient adoring idiots.

meanwhile, young boys were sacrificed to keep the cause alive.

and, larry bible, sandusky is happily married, at least according to wiki.

Sandusky is married and has six adopted children.[23] He also took in foster children.[5]

One son, Jon Sandusky, serves as Director of Player Personnel for the Cleveland Browns.[24][25] Another son, E.J. Sandusky, is an assistant football coach at West Chester University.[26]

homosexuality and pedophilia are horses of a different color. and for the record, i am straight.

What about the role of the campus police? They have the same authority as a municipal police department. What did they know? What did they do?

One of the victims' moms called them...after a lengthy investigation they told Sandusky he shouldn't bring boys on campus anymore and then closed their investigation -- as the DA said to...the same DA that disappeared a few years later.

Parts of this story sound like some passages from a bad piece of pulp fiction.

But that makes them no less tragic.

David,
News is the unusual--Dog bites man is no news, but Man bites Dog is.

Sexual abuse of children is always deplorable, but it may not be news. Sorry, but that is the reality. It doesn't mean that no one cares about the victims.

Penn State U has always had the reputation of the highest level. It is news when that sort of an institution fails. It reminds us that any human institution can be corrupted. If I have the quote right, Solomon recorded a proverb that began, "Do not put your trust in princes"--IOW do not blindly trust anyone to always do the right thing. Checks and balances, and accountability are always required.
As some have pointed out, this is analogous to the Roman church's scandal over the same thing.
In both cases, it was felt that protecting the reputation of the Institution was more important than protecting the young lives entrusted to that organization. It also might show that sexual predators are drawn to organizations that provide them with ready victims. ( duh!) Again, institutions need to protect themselves, as well as their clients ( if that is the right word) by openness, and a good system of accountability. Transparency is good for any organization dealing with the public; not just political parties.

In all this outrage over PSU, it may seem as if the victims are forgotten. I doubt that that is really the case. Nothing can be dome to undo the abuse they suffered, although some treatments may mitigate, and help them, and their families to cope and get on with life. I am sure PSU will be making some large monetary settlements in the not too distant future.

Ditto, X2 and all that jazz.

Just seems strange or perhaps convenient, to me that this whole travesty comes to life a week or so AFTER "Joe Pa" becomes the winning-est coach in NCAA history. Did the officials delay the investigation to facilitate this achievement?

The story was reported in April I believe someone posted. Even if there was nothing substantial to the story you'd think they had to have discussed it with Joe Pa. Perhaps a bit of, "Joe you know you've got to go, what say you close this season out, retire and we'll try to make this go away".

Yup. And how does one not come to that conclusion?

It sickening. And the campus police are every bit as accountable.

Slight difference is that PSU is being held accountable and cannot do the Catholic Shuffle like the Vatican can and is doing.

This case is football related, the RC church is religion related but the main thing is that everybody is trying to save their own skin. McQuaery was an undrafted QB with no other real prospects. He was a graduate assistant. Sandusky is up the food chain and could make or break him. Why didn't he call 911 IMMEDIATELY and wait till the next day to make a complain? To save his own skin. Both the perp and victim saw him. Why didn't he at least stop it? Well, Sandusky was up there and he was Mr Nobody. He wasn't going to rock the boat and jeopardize his career, which is what you are asking him to do.

Lets be honest about it. All those here who said that they would turn him in are NOT in McQueary's shoes. Nobody here has any skin in that game. Anyone can be charitable when they have nothing to lose. It is when you have something to lose that we see if you are really going to "talk the talk" AND "walk the walk". It is not an easy thing to ask a young man "Are you willing to toss your career aside for some stranger?". Same with everybody up the chain. Nobody wanted to toss their career aside or at least have dark stains on them for the sake of somebody else.

The head of campus police was told but it could be that none of the others were told as well. Head of the police probably cut a deal with the President to hush it up for some favors to be named later.

So now Sandusky says he is innocent...


And McQueary says he did the right thing.


Yep, the rats are scurrying about.

And by "scurrying about," I mean, "lying."

Penn State assistant: 'I did the right thing' - US news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com

That remains to be seen in a court of law.

Well, if what I was reading is right, McQueary reported it to Paterno who reported it to his superior and it seemed that they said it was the legal thing to do.

Sandusky admits he 'horsed around,' but insists he's innocent - CNN.com


Where have we heard that one before? Oh, Michael Jackson

There's no case against McQueary, so no court involved.

But actually WITNESSING the rape in a shower and leaving? It's the height of rationalization to call that the "right thing."

As to Sandusky, unless he is able to buy off the victims...er, "alleged victims," he's going to die in prison, one way or another (unless he skips bail or his conscience gets the better of him).

And did you hear that the judge who granted him bail previously worked with the foundation Sandusky established...and from which many of the "alleged victims" were approached? That seems very screwy.

Even if the DA works a plea deal to keep from torturing the "alleged victims" so they don't have to testify, Sandusky is going in...unless there is an applicable statute of limitations that lets him escape justice.

Maybe they could save time and trouble by assigning him a personal physician; perhaps Dr. Murray is available? ;)

Penn state morphing into state pen.

Sandusky now says he shouldn't have showered with those kids.

Huh.

Seems to me that it probably would have helped if he hadn't sexually assaulted them, too.

Just a thought...

Was talking about Sandusky. As for McQueary, not YET.

Well, what did you expect him to do? Admit he cared more for his career than some for some stranger? An apology that came from his heart instead of his lawyer's advice?

At his age, he might be like Madoff. Long sentence but not much life left to take. Conscience? Is that a word? I don't think he'd off himself if that is what you mean. If he had a conscience, why would he have done what he did?

Technically, she didn't work for them. A biography of Dutchcot posted on the website of the law firm Goodall & Yurchak lists her as a volunteer for Second Mile. It is not clear whether Dutchcot currently has any affiliation with the organization.

After so long, it is might be hard to get everyone to testify so he is simply paving the way for it. But lets say you DO get everyone to testify. You give him 50 years. Do you think he will see the end of the sentence or even serve out most of it? In all seriousness, how many years do you think he will serve out before he croaks? No point in giving him 80 years and wasting time and money, is there? He'd never serve it out in real life. As of today, he is 67 yrs, 9 months and 21 days. How long before dementia sets in and he won't even know whether he is in prison or Club Med?

I think Dr Murry has a couple of other issues at this time. Maybe make an appointment?

No s***, Sherlock. Even if he didn't allegedly assault them or had any interest in them, how would it look?

And miss out on this circus media? I think not.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but *technically* I didn't say she worked "for" them, but "with" them, which is exactly what I meant and certainly includes the details you added.

My point was that even to the lay person, that smacks of impropriety.

And the old judicial canon, which has been formally codified into the ethical rules in each state, provides that a judge should avoid "even the appearance of impropriety."

Certainly minds can differ, but it's hard to imagine how to reconcile that, unless, of course, the firm bio is misleading and she never personally worked with the foundation, just other members of the firm. Still not ideal -- you want a judge to be squeaky clean and above reproach -- but at least it's outside the umbrella.

This last weekend when they pulled Mcqueary from coaching at the game made me think there is something more to hear about him......something negative.

There is also something about his testamony that does not sound exactly right to me.

I wonder if there is a "the rest of the story" there.

Only a couple things come to mind. Sandusky said "If you don't report it to more than Paterno, I'll make it worth your while." or McQueary said "What's it worth to me to keep this in-house?".

Still sounds to me kike McQueary didn't want to jeopardize his career and did his legal obligation. Report it to someone and let them sort it out.

Ya know, it's funny how time affects memories.

If McQueary lied about going to the police, then it's probably he lied about it being "stopped" as well. I particularly like his qualifier on the "stop" thing (quote excerpted below). This guy is a real piece of work.

Full article here: State College police: McQueary didn't report abuse - US news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com

And some salient points:


But here's what the police say...

Ahhh...McQueary did talk to the police.


After they came to him. McQueary sure seems to be a turd.



Full article includes that excerpt: Internet posting pointed to Sandusky - US news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com

The whole issue is one loved by the mainstream media. They love it so much they came up with another one in basketball.

They love it because it gives them something to divert the attention from B.O.'s failings. This is the kind of free campaign assistance that will give B.O. another term.

No, it is just the flavor of the week to remain at the top of all news stories until something more sordid comes along and they think it will sell for them.

This one is Worthy of a foil hat! You have no clue how media works. They cover these stories because it sells, generates viewership and therefore money. It has absolutely nothing to do with Obama unless you are in larryworld, where everything is orchestrated by evil liberals.

TRUE, but given that most people in the media vote democrat, its OK that it diverts attention from the President. That is not what DRIVES it, but its a happy by-product.

So I guess those 8 years of stories while gwb was in the office was just a fluke?