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Can't Know 11-11-2011 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry (Post 2826328)
What about the role of the campus police? They have the same authority as a municipal police department. What did they know? What did they do?

One of the victims' moms called them...after a lengthy investigation they told Sandusky he shouldn't bring boys on campus anymore and then closed their investigation -- as the DA said to...the same DA that disappeared a few years later.

Parts of this story sound like some passages from a bad piece of pulp fiction.

But that makes them no less tragic.

MS Fowler 11-11-2011 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by davidmash (Post 2826152)
I am not really following this story as I have little interest in sports but something I did notice while watching the news today was the lack of coverage regarding the victims. Everyone was concerned about the Coach(s) and tbe players and the games. What about the kids li es that have been affected for the rest of their lives? How about a riot for them?

David,
News is the unusual--Dog bites man is no news, but Man bites Dog is.

Sexual abuse of children is always deplorable, but it may not be news. Sorry, but that is the reality. It doesn't mean that no one cares about the victims.

Penn State U has always had the reputation of the highest level. It is news when that sort of an institution fails. It reminds us that any human institution can be corrupted. If I have the quote right, Solomon recorded a proverb that began, "Do not put your trust in princes"--IOW do not blindly trust anyone to always do the right thing. Checks and balances, and accountability are always required.
As some have pointed out, this is analogous to the Roman church's scandal over the same thing.
In both cases, it was felt that protecting the reputation of the Institution was more important than protecting the young lives entrusted to that organization. It also might show that sexual predators are drawn to organizations that provide them with ready victims. ( duh!) Again, institutions need to protect themselves, as well as their clients ( if that is the right word) by openness, and a good system of accountability. Transparency is good for any organization dealing with the public; not just political parties.

In all this outrage over PSU, it may seem as if the victims are forgotten. I doubt that that is really the case. Nothing can be dome to undo the abuse they suffered, although some treatments may mitigate, and help them, and their families to cope and get on with life. I am sure PSU will be making some large monetary settlements in the not too distant future.

Medmech 11-11-2011 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 2826226)
This is all about protecting the sacred institution of college football. It makes me sick. Clearly, protecting the program was of primary importance. They should all be in jail, from the old geezer on down. Screw them and their precious football.

Ditto, X2 and all that jazz.

Mike D 11-11-2011 09:24 AM

Just seems strange or perhaps convenient, to me that this whole travesty comes to life a week or so AFTER "Joe Pa" becomes the winning-est coach in NCAA history. Did the officials delay the investigation to facilitate this achievement?

The story was reported in April I believe someone posted. Even if there was nothing substantial to the story you'd think they had to have discussed it with Joe Pa. Perhaps a bit of, "Joe you know you've got to go, what say you close this season out, retire and we'll try to make this go away".

SwampYankee 11-11-2011 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike D (Post 2826422)
Just seems strange or perhaps convenient, to me that this whole travesty comes to life a week or so AFTER "Joe Pa" becomes the winning-est coach in NCAA history. Did the officials delay the investigation to facilitate this achievement?

The story was reported in April I believe someone posted. Even if there was nothing substantial to the story you'd think they had to have discussed it with Joe Pa. Perhaps a bit of, "Joe you know you've got to go, what say you close this season out, retire and we'll try to make this go away".

Yup. And how does one not come to that conclusion?

It sickening. And the campus police are every bit as accountable.

aklim 11-11-2011 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 2826381)
As some have pointed out, this is analogous to the Roman church's scandal over the same thing.

In both cases, it was felt that protecting the reputation of the Institution was more important than protecting the young lives entrusted to that organization.

Slight difference is that PSU is being held accountable and cannot do the Catholic Shuffle like the Vatican can and is doing.

This case is football related, the RC church is religion related but the main thing is that everybody is trying to save their own skin. McQuaery was an undrafted QB with no other real prospects. He was a graduate assistant. Sandusky is up the food chain and could make or break him. Why didn't he call 911 IMMEDIATELY and wait till the next day to make a complain? To save his own skin. Both the perp and victim saw him. Why didn't he at least stop it? Well, Sandusky was up there and he was Mr Nobody. He wasn't going to rock the boat and jeopardize his career, which is what you are asking him to do.

Lets be honest about it. All those here who said that they would turn him in are NOT in McQueary's shoes. Nobody here has any skin in that game. Anyone can be charitable when they have nothing to lose. It is when you have something to lose that we see if you are really going to "talk the talk" AND "walk the walk". It is not an easy thing to ask a young man "Are you willing to toss your career aside for some stranger?". Same with everybody up the chain. Nobody wanted to toss their career aside or at least have dark stains on them for the sake of somebody else.

aklim 11-11-2011 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SwampYankee (Post 2826442)
It sickening. And the campus police are every bit as accountable.

The head of campus police was told but it could be that none of the others were told as well. Head of the police probably cut a deal with the President to hush it up for some favors to be named later.

Can't Know 11-14-2011 11:01 PM

So now Sandusky says he is innocent...


And McQueary says he did the right thing.


Yep, the rats are scurrying about.

And by "scurrying about," I mean, "lying."

Penn State assistant: 'I did the right thing' - US news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com

aklim 11-14-2011 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Can't Know (Post 2828251)
So now Sandusky says he is innocent...


And McQueary says he did the right thing.

That remains to be seen in a court of law.

Well, if what I was reading is right, McQueary reported it to Paterno who reported it to his superior and it seemed that they said it was the legal thing to do.

aklim 11-14-2011 11:31 PM

Sandusky admits he 'horsed around,' but insists he's innocent - CNN.com

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Sandusky's lawyer, Joe Amendola, said Monday night that showering with children does not equate automatically to sexual assault. "Jerry Sandusky is a big, overgrown kid. He's a jock," Amendola told CNN's Anderson Cooper. "The bottom line is jocks do that -- they kid around, they horse around."

Where have we heard that one before? Oh, Michael Jackson

Can't Know 11-15-2011 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 2828266)
That remains to be seen in a court of law.

Well, if what I was reading is right, McQueary reported it to Paterno who reported it to his superior and it seemed that they said it was the legal thing to do.

There's no case against McQueary, so no court involved.

But actually WITNESSING the rape in a shower and leaving? It's the height of rationalization to call that the "right thing."

As to Sandusky, unless he is able to buy off the victims...er, "alleged victims," he's going to die in prison, one way or another (unless he skips bail or his conscience gets the better of him).

And did you hear that the judge who granted him bail previously worked with the foundation Sandusky established...and from which many of the "alleged victims" were approached? That seems very screwy.

Even if the DA works a plea deal to keep from torturing the "alleged victims" so they don't have to testify, Sandusky is going in...unless there is an applicable statute of limitations that lets him escape justice.

Maybe they could save time and trouble by assigning him a personal physician; perhaps Dr. Murray is available? ;)

cmac2012 11-15-2011 01:37 AM

Penn state morphing into state pen.

Can't Know 11-15-2011 03:07 AM

Sandusky now says he shouldn't have showered with those kids.

Huh.

Seems to me that it probably would have helped if he hadn't sexually assaulted them, too.

Just a thought...

aklim 11-15-2011 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Can't Know (Post 2828297)
There's no case against McQueary, so no court involved.

But actually WITNESSING the rape in a shower and leaving? It's the height of rationalization to call that the "right thing."

As to Sandusky, unless he is able to buy off the victims...er, "alleged victims," he's going to die in prison, one way or another (unless he skips bail or his conscience gets the better of him).

And did you hear that the judge who granted him bail previously worked with the foundation Sandusky established...and from which many of the "alleged victims" were approached? That seems very screwy.

Even if the DA works a plea deal to keep from torturing the "alleged victims" so they don't have to testify, Sandusky is going in...unless there is an applicable statute of limitations that lets him escape justice.

Maybe they could save time and trouble by assigning him a personal physician; perhaps Dr. Murray is available? ;)

Was talking about Sandusky. As for McQueary, not YET.

Well, what did you expect him to do? Admit he cared more for his career than some for some stranger? An apology that came from his heart instead of his lawyer's advice?

At his age, he might be like Madoff. Long sentence but not much life left to take. Conscience? Is that a word? I don't think he'd off himself if that is what you mean. If he had a conscience, why would he have done what he did?

Technically, she didn't work for them. A biography of Dutchcot posted on the website of the law firm Goodall & Yurchak lists her as a volunteer for Second Mile. It is not clear whether Dutchcot currently has any affiliation with the organization.

After so long, it is might be hard to get everyone to testify so he is simply paving the way for it. But lets say you DO get everyone to testify. You give him 50 years. Do you think he will see the end of the sentence or even serve out most of it? In all seriousness, how many years do you think he will serve out before he croaks? No point in giving him 80 years and wasting time and money, is there? He'd never serve it out in real life. As of today, he is 67 yrs, 9 months and 21 days. How long before dementia sets in and he won't even know whether he is in prison or Club Med?

I think Dr Murry has a couple of other issues at this time. Maybe make an appointment?

aklim 11-15-2011 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Can't Know (Post 2828307)
Sandusky now says he shouldn't have showered with those kids.

Seems to me that it probably would have helped if he hadn't sexually assaulted them, too.

No s***, Sherlock. Even if he didn't allegedly assault them or had any interest in them, how would it look?

And miss out on this circus media? I think not.


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