The Trash Newt Thread

[Botnst]

Originally Posted by t walgamuth

.....and according to you Viet Nam was a justfiied war and we won it?

No. No.

It was not justified and we lost. I guess the context of the time is important -- the majority of Americans thought we were in a life or death struggle with the USSR and bought the Ike, JFK, LBJ, Nixon argument that the commie expansion must be stopped. In my opinion it could have been won and was lost largely due to the national press taking sides and accelerating the change in America's willingness to support it. But having won, so what?

Besides, using one bloody unjustifiable fiasco to justify another is not a useful argument, is it?

[Air&Road]

Originally Posted by Botnst

No. No.

It was not justified and we lost. I guess the context of the time is important -- the majority of Americans thought we were in a life or death struggle with the USSR and bought the Ike, JFK, LBJ, Nixon argument that the commie expansion must be stopped. In my opinion it could have been won and was lost largely due to the national press taking sides and accelerating the change in America's willingness to support it. But having won, so what?

Besides, using one bloody unjustifiable fiasco to justify another is not a useful argument, is it?

Thanks for posting this Bot!

There are many young readers here and even a few that should be old enough to know this. The guys you mentioned indeed propogated the "fight against communism" ploy. Hindsight is 20/20 so many people don't understand the popular perception of the time.

Of course, ignoring this fact makes them feel superior, so I suppose we should just let it pass so they can feel good.

[JollyRoger]

Originally Posted by flymehomenow

Why can't you libs get your head screwed on straight! Obama is the worst President in American history. Corrupt as they come. You believe everything that the liberal media spews on a daily basis. They'll tell you that's is OK to play in the middle of the Interstate and you will probably the first one on the road playing. Get real!

How can anyone debate with such a soaring intellectual?

[JollyRoger]

Originally Posted by MTI

Well, we have quite the presidential historian here . . .

I think a more objective view of our last few presidents would put George W. Bush in that position. An unnecessary war that destroyed our national reputation in the world and put us in the eyes of the rest of the world in the same league as Hitler, cutting taxes for the wealthiest people during wartime and crony capitalism have essentially robbed all of us of a prosperous future, and I doubt whoever succeeded him would have had it much better at attempting to turn that around. I fail to see what exactly Obama has done to put him into the same class with the disaster that preceded him. These clowns love to say 'during the Obama administration debt has increased..blah..blah', but what they fail to say is that Obama's first year in office was under Bush's last budget, which included the massive TARP bailouts and other expensive actions necessary to keep the banking system from exploding, and that much of the spending that followed was the correct thing to do to keep prices from going into a deflationary death spiral with the resultant massive unemployment, as seen in the 1930's. Bush dumped a series of blunders and disasters created by his insane administration right into Obama's lap.

[Air&Road]

Bush's crony capitalism gave us a better economy than BO's crony socialism?

[PaulC]

Originally Posted by LarryBible

Bush's crony capitalism gave us a better economy than BO's crony socialism.

That sounds like something that a Tea Party troll would say. Recall the last year of the Bush administration? Are those the good old days that you wish to see return?

[tjts1]

I still don't get why Larry feels the need to trash Newt. It seems like trollish behavior. Whatever

[PaulC]

Originally Posted by tjts1

I still don't get why Larry feels the need to trash Newt. It seems like trollish behavior. Whatever

Larry's adopted a new tack: Instead of the melodramatic martyrdom of a year ago (I'm leaving, I'm out of here, no, I really mean it, I'm leaving!) when a few called him on his nonsense, we now have Tea Party trollery manifested in the production of insipid commentary intended to rankle those who don't fall in line with certain bigoted views.

Can't wait for Larry 3.0...

[Air&Road]

Originally Posted by PaulC

Larry's adopted a new tack: Instead of the melodramatic martyrdom of a year ago (I'm leaving, I'm out of here, no, I really mean it, I'm leaving!) when a few called him on his nonsense, we now have Tea Party trollery manifested in the production of insipid commentary intended to rankle those who don't fall in line with certain bigoted views.

Can't wait for Larry 3.0...

What makes you think that I have Tea Party affiliation? Whatever you think it is incorrect.

[PaulC]

Originally Posted by LarryBible

What makes you think that I have Tea Party affiliation?

Just your posts on this forum; that is all.

[Air&Road]

Originally Posted by tjts1

I still don't get why Larry feels the need to trash Newt. It seems like trollish behavior. Whatever

Are you just joking, or is your reading comprehension REALLY incapable of understanding my original post?

[Air&Road]

Originally Posted by PaulC

That sounds like something that a Tea Party troll would say. Recall the last year of the Bush administration? Are those the good old days that you wish to see return?

Yes, the last year of the Bush administration was indeed bad news. The results of Dodd/Frank came home to roost. That was the beginning of the end. GW fell for the TARP, and then BO took us much deeper into new low's, or high's if you would rather measure it in National Debt terms.

[elchivito]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Red= Well there you go.
Blue= Never implied.

I don't see Politico leaning any which way but loose, ever since their endorsement of President Bush years ago. I enjoy reading you tell Larry he's brainwashed and basically implying ignorance to the 'truth', when you yourself take the stance of every lefty I have the so 'gracious opportunity' to converse with in Connecticut.

Don't worry Larry, we're just too simple and ignorant to see that the left wing knows whats best for us common folk. Maybe I should emulate our current President and play a round of golf in between classes and conferences. Or lend money to companies that go belly up all over the place. Or force emissions regulations that no one wants to adhere to except So Cal. Buy out an awful auto union to produce more cars no one 'wants'.

As to our ravenous appetite for power, I don't recall President Bush entering a conflict without Congressional approval or throwing fliff around like a sultan. I also only recall the slaying of one dictator under Bush's regime, and two down thus far in the Obama Presidency.
So... who's the war monger?

I don't get why anyone follows the leader boards regarding who's on top in the public vote for the Republicans. While Romney isn't the furthest right candidate we've got, he's well moderate enough to succeed appealing to ALL constituents. Plus, it's the RNCs final decision anyways. Cain is obviously a no go-- he has less foreign policy education than Obama. Gingrich is an easy kill skeleton wise, but I would thoroughly enjoy watching him mop the floor with Obama in a debate. I can hear him stutter like Dubya now.

Ah, who can argue with the voice of years of experience, watching political campaigns, personally living through various administrations, choosing and voting for presidents. How many was it again?

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by elchivito

Ah, who can argue with the voice of years of experience, watching political campaigns, personally living through various administrations, choosing and voting for presidents. How many was it again?

Four, if you count lame duck periods

I speak not from experience or political background. I stick by whichever policies can make America's GDP positive over debt. It just so happens that this makes me bow right.

[Air&Road]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Four, if you count lame duck periods

I speak not from experience or political background. I stick by whichever policies can make America's GDP positive over debt. It just so happens that this makes me bow right.

Don't waste your breath snake. Common sense and the power of observation is something that many are incapable of understanding.

I've lived during 12 Presidential Administrations and voted in ten Presidential races, but experience means nothing in the minds of rank beginners. In your case, you're just a quick study.