The majority of today's Jeep owners are soccer moms and dads. They rarely ever see a dirt road, much less a mud puddle. This is the crowd that spends their weekends either shuttling the kids from game to game or washing and waxing their trophy vehicles.

I've had 3 Jeeps over the years, two CJs and one YJ. They were always coated in a nice thick cover of dirt and mud. Heck, the only time they were washed was when I put them up for sale. As I said in another thread, we still have one old CJ that's beat to hell and back and still running...it never sees pavement (it's not legal for the road, nor is it licensed)

It's not the Jeep owners that are DBs, Brian, it's the people that buy and used them as mall cruisers and grocery getters that are DBs.

Since my brothers and I do a lot of hunting and deep woods camping, a CJ or TJ Jeep is the only thing we'll use to get back to the campsite, as a pick-up or SUV isn't able to handle the trails necessary to get to that deep in the woods.

Don't be so narrow minded and damn an entire line of vehicles or their owners.

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Naturally, you're correct (he states after sobering up.........).

I'm a bit jaded by the Grand Cherokee crowd that wants to run me off the highway at every opportunity.

This is why I want a T55, no one carves up a T55 on the road.

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1969 280SE
2023 Ram 1500
2007 Tiara 3200

You ain't the only one my friend.

Grand Cherokee? Ultimate poseur vehicle. $40K plus, leather seats and every other known high end convenience - and you seriously want me to believe that someone is going to drop enough money to buy a new MB, on a POS Chrysler vehicle, and then take it off-road? Yeah, right.....

But what REALLY makes my blood boil are some of the morons that bought one of the Liberty CRD's - and know absolutely nothing about diesels - and have since tried just about every way imaginable to destroy what, IMHO, is one of the best damn small diesel engines ever sold in this country.

Here's an example - one particular tuning outfit that goes by the initials GDE (who popped up 3 years ago just as Chrysler went bankrupt , and ONLY offer tunes for Jeep Liberty CRD's....gee, wonder where THOSE guys used to work), offered up the utterly nonsensical advice that, to get better fuel mileage, it was perfectly OK to completely remove the viscous clutch and mechanical fan from the vehicle.

We're talking an inline four cylinder 2.8 L diesel with an ALUMINUM HEAD, variable vane turbo, with even a mild aftermarket tune can kick out 185 HP and 330 ft lbs at the rear wheels, egr cooler, intercooler, and air-cooled tranny oil cooler.

Guess what? SOME OF THOSE EFFIN MORONS ON THE JEEP FORUMS ACTUALLY LISTENED TO THOSE IDIOTS AND REMOVED THEIR COOLING FANS!!!!!

You know what the result was. Coolant leaks, blown head gaskets, leaking injector seals, warped heads.

And what did said tuning company and their idiotic fanboy followers have to say about the resulting carnage? Twasn't their fault for removing their cooling fans - oh no, the REAL problem in their opinion was that the engine manufacturer (VM Motori) had installed an inadequate water pump with insufficient cooling flow.......

It's almost enough to make me an advocate for forced sterilization, to keep morons like this from reproducing.

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Mitchell Oates
Mooresville, NC
'87 300D 212K miles
'87 300D 151K miles - R.I.P. 12/08
'05 Jeep Liberty CRD 67K miles
Grumpy Old Diesel Owners Club

I can commiserate.

They are everywhere now. It's virtually impossible to go for a drive without some moronic DB trying to get wherever he is going two minutes faster than you do.

True, very true....especially on my weekly commute into Brooklyn.
But.....you all know one thing? Anger is not only a waste of energy, it is also a silent killer. Negative energy. Took me a loooong time to learn to redirect my thoughts from immediate anger and hatred to calm aceeptance of stupidity in the face of some hoople being stupid...but being a landlord has hepled tremendously in my quest to deal with and understand the vagaries of human nature, that most annoying, unpredictable and agita causing quantity.

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..............got a pill for that............???


..............or maybe I just go and get a lobotomy..........

Nahh, that's why I take the Classics on the Grand Central to the Interborough. People either give me wide berth or pass me as quick as they can, thus making trouble for other drivers. I rarely drive above 70 in the Bentley and the Buick is good for a sustained 65 downwind. I just enjoy the machine I'm driving but always pay attention as well. I have to with these ancient carriages.

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Yea, I don't let driving get my bp up. I figured out a long time ago that there are too few roads and too many drivers. I always try to give ppl plenty of room and get out of the way if I'm slowing them down. I look at it as everyone needs to learn how to share the road.

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