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Air&Road 07-06-2012 02:40 PM

The Short List of B.O.'s Broken Promises
 
The short list:

President Obama’s top 5 broken campaign promises | The Raw Story

This list is very kind to the man. There are many more we can discuss later.

greazzer 07-06-2012 02:53 PM

Now now ... you know it is Bush's fault that he did not fulfill his promises or it was the other party's fault for not allowing him to carry out his promises. However, it has been three years since the election and the congress was controlled by his own party when he took office, respectively. Naw ... still not his fault ... and , "let me be clear" is not so clear right now.

MTI 07-06-2012 03:27 PM

April 5, 2011 link? Somebody needs to catch up on their reading. ;D

Obamameter

Yes, lots of "broken" but the complete list has compromised and kept.

elchivito 07-06-2012 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2968636)
April 5, 2011 link? Somebody needs to catch up on their reading. ;D

Obamameter

Yes, lots of "broken" but the complete list has compromised and kept.

You mean he KEPT some? Larry won't know what to do with that news.:eek:

Oh wait, he'll just ignore it. Like many of us, he has Obama's accomplishments on ignore.

cmac2012 07-06-2012 05:06 PM

Oh well, one aims high and does the best they can. Of course, if only Obama was an honest man and kept his promises, we'd be on easy street. Nothing else can explain it.

MTI 07-06-2012 05:16 PM

A politician, any politician, that kept all their campaign promises . . . why that would be historic. ;)

Dudesky 07-06-2012 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 2968645)
You mean he KEPT some? Larry won't know what to do with that news.:eek:

Oh wait, he'll just ignore it. Like many of us, he has Obama's accomplishments on ignore.


Yeah, the fundamental change one, comrade. http://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/ri...ley_Stalin.gif

Kuan 07-06-2012 05:20 PM

Push for college football playoff system? Really?

cmac2012 07-06-2012 05:29 PM

GM is alive and bin Laden dead.

Anyone who thinks any pol can keep all their promises is what you call 'naive.' Power of positive thinking, you say 'hell yes we can,' and you usually end up accomplishing more than if you'd hung your head, all weepy, saying, 'we're doomed.'

MTI 07-06-2012 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuan (Post 2968716)
Push for college football playoff system? Really?

Now, if he could get MLB to drop the "designated hitter" in the AL, then that could qualify him for Rushmore, baby! ;)

aklim 07-06-2012 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 2968719)
GM is alive and bin Laden dead.

Anyone who thinks any pol can keep all their promises is what you call 'naive.' Power of positive thinking, you say 'hell yes we can,' and you usually end up accomplishing more than if you'd hung your head, all weepy, saying, 'we're doomed.'

So? The Bush-Obama bailout aka bandaid worked. Both had a hand in it. Both should have been hung for it. Company that cannot survive should be left to it's own devices. It's not like it wasn't a LONG time coming. So if Obama gets credit for it, so should Bush. As to OBL, WGAS? What has that accomplished? ALQ still operates independently and is like the Hydra where you cut one head off and another two comes up. BFD. You should know better than to think that killing OBL will send a message. Besides, it was the SEAL team that did the dirty work as was it the intelligence group that found him.

How about a middle ground. TELL US WHAT THE TRUTH IS instead of this positive thinking crap or "we're doomed". Tell us what is realistic and that goes for all politicians.

aklim 07-06-2012 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Air&Road (Post 2968607)
The short list:

President Obama’s top 5 broken campaign promises | The Raw Story

This list is very kind to the man. There are many more we can discuss later.

Good. The more he does NOT achieve, the more I want to vote for him. Govt intervention comes WITH A PRICE. The less you do, the lower the price. As I said before,

Dear Govt,

Please do me a favor by NOT doing me any favors.

Emmerich 07-06-2012 05:46 PM

You can add "Do Best to Destroy America" to the "accomplished" column.

Dudesky 07-06-2012 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 2968719)
GM is alive and bin Laden dead.

Anyone who thinks any pol can keep all their promises is what you call 'naive.' Power of positive thinking, you say 'hell yes we can,' and you usually end up accomplishing more than if you'd hung your head, all weepy, saying, 'we're doomed.'

Hearing GM vote this cycle going to stick where Obama's sun don't shine :D

Yeah they doing real good.

aklim 07-06-2012 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 2968705)
Oh well, one aims high and does the best they can. Of course, if only Obama was an honest man and kept his promises, we'd be on easy street. Nothing else can explain it.

How about this. Under promise and over deliver. My customers seem to like it. OTOH, when I over promise and under deliver, they seem upset.

Don't promise something you cannot or are not sure of delivering. Aim wherever you please but if you cannot deliver, don't promise. Assure me you are working towards a solution if you must. Don't promise me a solution by 1500 hrs when you are not sure of delivering it.

There is a difference between

I will achieve X by 1500 hrs

I will attempt to achieve X by 1500 but it might not work out that way.

tbomachines 07-06-2012 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Air&Road (Post 2968607)
The short list:

President Obama’s top 5 broken campaign promises | The Raw Story

This list is very kind to the man. There are many more we can discuss later.

Do you mean you actually wish to discuss something :eek::eek::eek:

MTI 07-06-2012 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbomachines (Post 2968739)
Do you mean you actually wish to discuss something :eek::eek::eek:

There's the problem, confusing the words "discuss" with "preach." ;)

MTI 07-06-2012 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aklim (Post 2968736)
How about this. Under promise and over deliver. My customers seem to like it. OTOH, when I over promise and under deliver, they seem upset.

Don't promise something you cannot or are not sure of delivering. Aim wherever you please but if you cannot deliver, don't promise. Assure me you are working towards a solution if you must. Don't promise me a solution by 1500 hrs when you are not sure of delivering it.

There is a difference between

I will achieve X by 1500 hrs

I will attempt to achieve X by 1500 but it might not work out that way.

Slipping off into the realm of fantasy, no? This is America and American political history, not some idealized make believe world. It also points out the difference between the world of politics and the world of business.

cmac2012 07-06-2012 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emmerich (Post 2968733)
You can add "Do Best to Destroy America" to the "accomplished" column.

:)

Don't never die dude.

aklim 07-06-2012 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2968744)
Slipping off into the realm of fantasy, no? This is America and American political history, not some idealized make believe world. It also points out the difference between the world of politics and the world of business.

Therein lies the problem. When a politician of any stripe says "I will do X, Y, Z", we accept it as "par for the course" when they fail to deliver. So, tomorrow, if we run for office, we know that we have to "up the ante" and say "We will do W, X, Y, Z.". At the end of it, we just say "Mea Culpa. I didn't deliver.". So, what you have said is that I have to be a liar to run for politics. The truth won't work. So, in the end, whose fault is it that we get what we got? Hence, I don't care what a politician says. Either it is a blatant lie or it is a half truth and therefore a lie. So the LESS a politician promises, the less he can lie. Therefore, my vote goes to whomever promises the LEAST. Lower expectations = less disappointment

MTI 07-06-2012 06:19 PM

How has that voting strategy worked for you so far?

aklim 07-06-2012 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2968755)
How has that voting strategy worked for you so far?

I'd have to say that with the lowered expectations, the disappointment is less so it works out good. Just like everything else, I lower my expectations and they either meet it or exceed it. Either way, no tears.

If you expected me to be a crook, would you feel more disappointed than if you believed I was a decent person after you got screwed by me?

MTI 07-06-2012 06:35 PM

I'm more interested in knowing the names of the candidates you thought promised the least in your past voting experience. Who is promising the least now?

kerry 07-06-2012 06:38 PM

What happened to the Socialist Worker's Paradise the right kept saying Obama was creating?

Dudesky 07-06-2012 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kerry (Post 2968767)
What happened to the Socialist Worker's Paradise the right kept saying Obama was creating?

The thirteen thousand pages of regs are coming, be patient.

Botnst 07-06-2012 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2968713)
A politician, any politician, that kept all their campaign promises . . . why that would be historic. ;)

Yep, it would be a different kind of politician. One that promises hope and change. Yes we can.

aklim 07-06-2012 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2968766)
I'm more interested in knowing the names of the candidates you thought promised the least in your past voting experience. Who is promising the least now?

One actual voting since I was not a citizen at the time but since 2000, Bush won twice and both times I thought he SOUNDED like the better man than Gore and Edwards. Can't say I am too pleased with him winning. Felt that if the others had won, they would have actually been better since they would have done even less. Voted Obama since I disliked McCain but that is a different story. Will see whether Romney promises more or less at the election time. Other than McCain, the worse you sound, the better I like you.

aklim 07-06-2012 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 2968776)
Yep, it would be a different kind of politician. One that promises hope and change. Yes we can.

And Pegasus is a different type of horse. :D

MTI 07-06-2012 07:06 PM

So, you thought that Obama promised less than McCain?

Botnst 07-06-2012 07:15 PM

For a candidate who promised hope and change, embracing the losing candidates record is a rather low bar to set.

cmac2012 07-06-2012 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 2968776)
Yep, it would be a different kind of politician. One that promises hope and change. Yes we can.

Or maybe "morning in America." Or how about "a thousand points of light?" That's some catchy stuff right there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kerry (Post 2968767)
What happened to the Socialist Worker's Paradise the right kept saying Obama was creating?

I'm sorry comrade, have you not received the notice from your local re-education center yet?

The Clk Man 07-06-2012 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 2968805)
Or maybe "morning in America." Or how about "a thousand points of light?" That's some catchy stuff right there.

I'm Glad that You were the Father that I NEVER Had. :eek::D

Botnst 07-06-2012 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 2968805)
Or maybe "morning in America." Or how about "a thousand points of light?" That's some catchy stuff right there.
...

Will Obama be held in as high regard as those predecessors?

aklim 07-06-2012 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2968785)
So, you thought that Obama promised less than McCain?

In that instance. I'd have voted Stalin over McCain. But for most cases, I usually vote the one who Promises to do the least

spdrun 07-06-2012 10:05 PM

To the OP: can't you just change your handle to ObamaSuxs and give it a rest? Don't like him. Vote against him and give money/volunteer work/etc to the opposition's campaign!

Benz Fan 07-06-2012 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spdrun (Post 2968837)
To the OP: can't you just change your handle to ObamaSuxs and give it a rest? Don't like him. Vote against him and give money/volunteer work/etc to the opposition's campaign!

Don't you know? He thinks that all politicians are reprehensible. Just don't spend too much time searching for his anti-Romney threads.

aklim 07-06-2012 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benz Fan (Post 2968850)
Don't you know? He thinks that all politicians are reprehensible. Just don't spend too much time searching for his anti-Romney threads.

Aren't liars reprehensible?

Dudesky 07-07-2012 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2968785)
So, you thought that Obama promised less than McCain?


Lets look into detail here.
Mitt has all kinds of plans to hopefully move the country ahead the next four years.

Obama's next four years are focused on Romney's offshore accounts, ties to Bain (who is his and DNC's biggest bundlers). and bearing with him in his journey to ??

AM I alone in not hearing any plan for the next four years other than 'move forward'......to what? :eek:

aklim 07-07-2012 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dudesky (Post 2968885)
Lets look into detail here.
Mitt has all kinds of plans to hopefully move the country ahead the next four years.

All of which still has to go thru Congress for it's perversion anyways, lest we forget. I'd say Congress is going to be more important.

cmac2012 07-07-2012 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Clk Man (Post 2968806)
I'm Glad that You were the Father that I NEVER Had. :eek::D

Watch it boy or imo beat yo ass. :splat:

cmac2012 07-07-2012 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 2968809)
Will Obama be held in as high regard as those predecessors?

Both are over-rated. I'll have to get back to you regarding how high a regard Obama is held in some years after his discharge in 2017.

Jim B. 07-07-2012 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emmerich (Post 2968733)
You can add "Do Best to Destroy America" to the "accomplished" column.

Nattering nabobs of negativism ^^

Jim B. 07-07-2012 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 2968908)
Watch it boy or imo beat yo ass.

Gimme yo' lunch money !

Botnst 07-07-2012 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 2968911)
Both are over-rated. I'll have to get back to you regarding how high a regard Obama is held in some years after his discharge in 2017.

I agree they are over-rated. But the mass opinion doesn't give a damn what you or I as individuals think. Reagan is now statuary in the state pantheon and George, like Truman, is more fondly remembered than he was respected. I would suggest that the majority of the so-called 'great' presidents are much like those three I've named -- lionized because of superficial treatment in history.

Perhaps a case could be made for obscurity, in which a nation at peace and without domestic crisis provides us with presidents nobody remembers.

Air&Road 07-07-2012 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kerry (Post 2968767)
What happened to the Socialist Worker's Paradise the right kept saying Obama was creating?



Well he did cater to the union workers, so I guess he has accomplished that one. If he HAD delivered MORE on it at LEAST it might have been a net gain instead of a net loss of jobs.

Air&Road 07-07-2012 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aklim (Post 2968835)
In that instance. I'd have voted Stalin over McCain. But for most cases, I usually vote the one who Promises to do the least


Sounds like the kind of inverted policy that could actually work out to be a good one.:D

Air&Road 07-07-2012 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spdrun (Post 2968837)
To the OP: can't you just change your handle to ObamaSuxs and give it a rest? Don't like him. Vote against him and give money/volunteer work/etc to the opposition's campaign!


From what you said, it appears that most everyone already understands that I'm not one of the gullible people who thinks that he will do what he says he will do, so why bother changing my moniker again?

Air&Road 07-07-2012 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dudesky (Post 2968885)
Lets look into detail here.
Mitt has all kinds of plans to hopefully move the country ahead the next four years.

Obama's next four years are focused on Romney's offshore accounts, ties to Bain (who is his and DNC's biggest bundlers). and bearing with him in his journey to ??

AM I alone in not hearing any plan for the next four years other than 'move forward'......to what? :eek:


Yes, about all that B.O. can offer is that he can SAY that the next four years won't be as bad as his last four years. Of course, since he has bolo'd on so many of his campaign promises, how can we believe THAT?

Air&Road 07-07-2012 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aklim (Post 2968894)
All of which still has to go thru Congress for it's perversion anyways, lest we forget. I'd say Congress is going to be more important.


Congress almost always IS more important. Luckily the congress is split keeping at least some of B.O.'s cock in bull ideas from making it into law. That makes congress more important and effective.

MTI 07-07-2012 12:45 PM

Which of candidate Romney's positions does anyone believe are "carved in stone" given his track record to date? ;)


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