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chilcutt · #61 08-21-2012, 01:10 PM

Google-'Sampson Option'.

'Our American friends offer us money, offer us arms, and advice. We take the money, we take the arms, and we decline the advice'. > Moshe Dayan

'I am unwilling to forego even one percent of Zionism for peace'.> Ben Gurion 1925

'Our race is the master race. We Jews are divine Gods on this planet. We are as differant from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals..cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excretement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as slaves'. >Israelli Prime Minister Menachim Begin 1977-1983

www.palestineremembered.com

I never thought that truth could exist without justice or honor, but here it is, wearing a soiled garment for an arrogant parade that seeks to prove that Jesus never fulfilled the promise, and the saddest part is the massive crowd of American Christians who follow the seductive Scofield folly.

cullennewsom · #62 08-21-2012, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

There sure are alot of people here that SEEM to be ignoring the FACT that Akmanutjob has made it clear that he wants to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. He is also developing nuclear weopons. It doesn't take much to put two and two together.

If a neighbor were in his back yard building a weopon and at the same time making it CLEAR that he was going to kill you and your family, would YOU let it go without response?

That's because it's not a truthful fact.

'Mossad, CIA agree Iran has yet to decide to build nuclear weapon' - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

davidmash · #63 08-21-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

Google-'Sampson Option'.

'Our American friends offer us money, offer us arms, and advice. We take the money, we take the arms, and we decline the advice'. > Moshe Dayan

'I am unwilling to forego even one percent of Zionism for peace'.> Ben Gurion 1925

'Our race is the master race. We Jews are divine Gods on this planet. We are as differant from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals..cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excretement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as slaves'. >Israelli Prime Minister Menachim Begin 1977-1983

www.palestineremembered.com

I never thought that truth could exist without justice or honor, but here it is, wearing a soiled garment for an arrogant parade that seeks to prove that Jesus never fulfilled the promise, and the saddest part is the massive crowd of American Christians who follow the seductive Scofield folly.

Are there any similar quotes from other leaders in the area?

chilcutt · #64 08-21-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cullennewsom

That's because it's not a truthful fact.

'Mossad, CIA agree Iran has yet to decide to build nuclear weapon' - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

Thank you. Larry has been pushing that envelope forever, although it has been proven to him on countless occasions...he continues to come back to the same old tired song.

spdrun · #65 08-21-2012, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

There sure are alot of people here that SEEM to be ignoring the FACT that Akmanutjob has made it clear that he wants to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. He is also developing nuclear weopons. It doesn't take much to put two and two together.

If a neighbor were in his back yard building a weopon and at the same time making it CLEAR that he was going to kill you and your family, would YOU let it go without response?

A lot of bluster from Ahmadinejad, but I doubt that Iran would fire first. Khameinei and other mullahs (shadow gov't of Iran) have repeatedly stated that first use of nuclear weapons, especially against people of the book, is a mortal sin. On the other hand, they may want weapons for defense from their neighbors, who are none too friendly, and who are also seeking nukes. Or have nukes in the case of Israel.

chilcutt · #66 08-21-2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

Are there any similar quotes from other leaders in the area?

Ask Larry..he has all of the mis-quotes memorised. However, as an American..shouldnt you be concerned with what one of your Allies is hustleing......................

davidmash · #67 08-21-2012, 01:18 PM

No, I am asking you. Are there any similar quotes from any leaders in the area?

elchivito · #68 08-21-2012, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

Google-'Sampson Option'.

'Our American friends offer us money, offer us arms, and advice. We take the money, we take the arms, and we decline the advice'. > Moshe Dayan

'I am unwilling to forego even one percent of Zionism for peace'.> Ben Gurion 1925

'Our race is the master race. We Jews are divine Gods on this planet. We are as differant from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals..cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excretement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as slaves'. >Israelli Prime Minister Menachim Begin 1977-1983

www.palestineremembered.com

I never thought that truth could exist without justice or honor, but here it is, wearing a soiled garment for an arrogant parade that seeks to prove that Jesus never fulfilled the promise, and the saddest part is the massive crowd of American Christians who follow the seductive Scofield folly.

I am ambivalent about Israel and it's Muslim neighbors at best, but in fairness, there is no credible evidence that Begin ever said that quote.

By the way, do you plan to opine on the thread about the christian Pakistani girl who may be put to death for blasphemy?

chilcutt · #69 08-21-2012, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

I am ambivalent about Israel and it's Muslim neighbors at best, but in fairness, there is no credible evidence that Begin ever said that quote.

By the way, do you plan to opine on the thread about the christian Pakistani girl who may be put to death for blasphemy?

I am not familiar with that story in Pakistan.
I only know that there are some country's-Pakistan being one of them-that are backwards in their ways, in the eyes of Westeners.
Much of it has to do with coulture-just like Afghanistan-which may seem barbaric to Westeners.

Which is why the West should butt their noses out of these countries affairs..stop telling them how to run their countries..and stop believing they can make people in these countries act like Westeners.

chilcutt · #70 08-21-2012, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

I am ambivalent about Israel and it's Muslim neighbors at best, but in fairness, there is no credible evidence that Begin ever said that quote.

By the way, do you plan to opine on the thread about the christian Pakistani girl who may be put to death for blasphemy?

Begin's speech to the Knesset (Israelli Parliment) quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beast's" New Statesman, June 25, 1982

chilcutt · #71 08-21-2012, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

No, I am asking you. Are there any similar quotes from any leaders in the area?

Once again...you should concern yourself first with U.S. allies..and what they are hustleing.

davidmash · #72 08-21-2012, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

Once again...you should concern yourself first with U.S. allies..and what they are hustleing.

Stop dodging the question. You brought up quotes by Israel officials. So I am asking you if there are any other similar quotes by other leaders in the region. The fact that you are dodging the question as you typically do means that you are well aware that there are.

Air&Road · #73 08-21-2012, 03:00 PM

No there are NOT similar quotes from other leaders in the area BECAUSE akmanutjob has ONLY vowed to wipe ISRAEL off the face of the Earth, not the other countries. David is this REALLY that difficult for you to understand?

jplinville · #74 08-21-2012, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

So you don't know either... K...

Actually, I do...and you've been given the ability to find out as well.

elchivito · #75 08-21-2012, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

Begin's speech to the Knesset (Israelli Parliment) quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beast's" New Statesman, June 25, 1982

Or made up out of whole cloth by Kapeliouk, hardly an unbiased source. The guy is/was an active dissident reporter in Israel. Other than his alleged quote, there is no material evidence Begin ever said those words.

CAMERA, the Committee for Accurate Middle East Reporting in America has quite a bit of research on hate speech supposedly written and spoken by Israeli leaders. I won't claim they are an unbiased source either. The link to the page where this quote is found is below it. While it doesn't directly address the supposed Begin quote you used, it gives another example of an apparent distortion/fabrication by Kapeliouk.

Investigation--Example 2: Internet hate sites, as well as Fisk, attribute this derogation of Palestnians as “two-legged beasts” to former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin. The source generally given is:

Menachem Begin, as quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts,"New Statesman, June 25, 1982

Indeed, the radical French-Israeli journalist, Amnon Kapeliouk, did attribute such a quote to Begin in his New Statesman article criticizing Israel’s invasion of Lebanon. The author posited:

For this reason the government has gone to extraordinary lengths to dehumanise the Palestinians. Begin described them in a speech in the Knesset as "beasts walking on two legs".

However, further investigation by CAMERA reveals that the actual speech upon which Kapeliouk based his quote, as well as news reports at the time demonstrate that the journalist distorted the quote, giving it a completely different tone and meaning. Begin was talking, not about "the Palestinians" but about terrorists who target children within Israel.

On June 8, 1982, Begin addressed the Knesset in response to a no-confidence motion over Israel's invasion of Lebanon. He talked about defending the children of Israel, and according to a June 9, 1982 AP report, “his voice quaver[ed] with anger and sadness.” According to the minutes of the session, Begin stated:

The children of Israel will happily go to school and joyfully return home, just like the children in Washington, in Moscow, and in Peking, in Paris and in Rome, in Oslo, in Stockholm and in Copenhagen. The fate of... Jewish children has been different from all the children of the world throughout the generations. No more. We will defend our children. If the hand of any two-footed animal is raised against them, that hand will be cut off, and our children will grow up in joy in the homes of their parents.

Kapeliouk neither recanted nor apologized for his deception.

CAMERA: Exposing False Zionist Quotes II (Quote Busters II)

I have no dog in the fight and while it might appear I'm taking sides, I'm not. I won't take a side because my religious heritage has nothing to do with it, and I don't believe we're getting the straight dope on the issue from ANYONE, Muslim, Christian, American, Israeli, Pakistani, Saudi ad nauseum. God made another big boo boo if you ask me. He shoulda had old Abie do in both of his sons.