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ramonajim · #1 10-19-2012, 06:21 PM

Well worth 5 minutes of your time.

We're all just people, people. Everybody - EVERYBODY - deserves the same rights. Period. Having George Freakin' Takei and Billie Jean King in this video - added bonuses. Bottom line, the message is one of simple truth. This election matters folks.... in many, many ways.

MS Fowler · #2 10-19-2012, 10:28 PM

Remember--
All animals are equal. Some animals are more equal than others.

Brian Carlton · #3 10-19-2012, 10:39 PM

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Everybody - EVERYBODY - deserves the same rights. Period.

...........have you met Willard?

martureo · #4 10-20-2012, 09:30 AM

That is not "equality" that is "uber equality".

NO ONE, and I mean no one should be able to redefine what a word means simply because they whine enough.

Even the ancient Greeks laughed and mocked this type of behavior, why do we think we're smarter?

elchivito · #5 10-20-2012, 09:43 AM

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Even the ancient Greeks laughed and mocked this type of behavior...

Uh huh.

Air&Road · #6 10-20-2012, 10:31 AM

ABSOLUTELY we all should have equal rights. That means the government has to get out of the way and stay to enforcing laws. The rest of it will be equal opportunity and the person that works hard, plays by the rules and lives their life with integrity will have their just reward.

t walgamuth · #7 10-20-2012, 11:28 AM

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ABSOLUTELY we all should have equal rights. That means the government has to get out of the way and stay to enforcing laws. The rest of it will be equal opportunity and the person that works hard, plays by the rules and lives their life with integrity will have their just reward.

Unfortunately a whole lot of folks who did just that here have lost their life savings to the housing bubble burst through no fault of their own.

elchivito · #8 10-20-2012, 12:31 PM

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Unfortunately a whole lot of folks who did just that here have lost their life savings to the housing bubble burst through no fault of their own.

Prepare to be told how it IS, in fact, their own fault.

davidmash · #9 10-20-2012, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

That is not "equality" that is "uber equality".

NO ONE, and I mean no one should be able to redefine what a word means simply because they whine enough.

Even the ancient Greeks laughed and mocked this type of behavior, why do we think we're smarter?

In German 'Uber' means over. So exactly what rights are non-hetero sexual people seeking that heteros do not enjoy?

Aside from that, marriage used to be an exchange of property (women) to build alliances, power or accumulate other property. Love as a part of marriage is a recent advent. Shall we go back to that time frame?

Until government gets out of the marriage business completely and has everyone have a legal civil union then everyone has to have legal access to the marriage per the 14th amendment.

I am very glad Obama finally came out in favor of equality for all. Not sure why he did it and I really do not care why any more than I care for why politicians started to come out in favor of equal rights for women back in the 20's or civil rights back in the 60's.

Being in favor of equal rights is never ever a bad thing regardless of it's origins.

cmbdiesel · #10 10-20-2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

That is not "equality" that is "uber equality".

NO ONE, and I mean no one should be able to redefine what a word means simply because they whine enough.

Even the ancient Greeks laughed and mocked this type of behavior, why do we think we're smarter?

Seriously? still on about that are ya??

Here's news for you, words mean what we want them to mean, and their definitions change over time based on usage.
I understand that you and those who share your belief structure are, in your own minds, the absolute apex of human civilization, but, you are not, and you do not get to dictate to the masses what their words mean.

Just be glad they are not trying to redefine your name to mean homosexual...

aklim · #11 10-20-2012, 04:51 PM

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Even the ancient Greeks laughed and mocked this type of behavior, why do we think we're smarter?

So your thought is that the Greeks were as good as it gets therefore they are the gold standard? I'm sure that many have mocked the idea of flying or being brought back from the dead but you seem pretty comfortable with it. Wasn't it at the time of the Exodus that women were dumped at the back of the line when they were having a period? Perhaps we should stick to that "wisdom" too?

martureo · #12 10-20-2012, 11:45 PM

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In German 'Uber' means over. So exactly what rights are non-hetero sexual people seeking that heteros do not enjoy?

The right of a small minority to overrule the majority.
The right to redefine a term.

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Aside from that, marriage used to be an exchange of property (women) to build alliances, power or accumulate other property. Love as a part of marriage is a recent advent. Shall we go back to that time frame?

Sorry, were you trying to argue with me? I guess not as I never made such a platform.

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Until government gets out of the marriage business completely and has everyone have a legal civil union then everyone has to have legal access to the marriage per the 14th amendment.

Marriage is something that happens between 1 man and 1 woman in this country. Same sex marriage is about as absurd as a 32 year old man wanting to be protected under the law as a "child" because he feels like a child.

Words mean something, to change the meaning to something contrary is to make the word useless.

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I am very glad Obama finally came out in favor of equality for all. Not sure why he did it and I really do not care why any more than I care for why politicians started to come out in favor of equal rights for women back in the 20's or civil rights back in the 60's.

MARRIAGE ISN'T A CIVIL RIGHT. Or maybe you didn't know that.

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Being in favor of equal rights is never ever a bad thing regardless of it's origins.

It isn't equal rights. The argument never has been about equal rights. If it was then where is the outcry for pederasty being illegal? What about incest? Polygamy? Are those are non-legal relationships which many would like to become legal. Why the inequality?

...or maybe marriage meant something.

martureo · #13 10-20-2012, 11:48 PM

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So your thought is that the Greeks were as good as it gets therefore they are the gold standard?

No, but if they laughed at same sex "marriage" then why is this suddenly a new issue?

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I'm sure that many have mocked the idea of flying or being brought back from the dead but you seem pretty comfortable with it. Wasn't it at the time of the Exodus that women were dumped at the back of the line when they were having a period? Perhaps we should stick to that "wisdom" too?

Maybe just maybe you should take your biased, slightly ignorant self back to school and learn a thing or two about other people's beliefs before you attempt to mock them.

I love that what you're really telling me is "be tolerant! because I'm not tolerant of you"

martureo · #14 10-20-2012, 11:57 PM

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Seriously? still on about that are ya??

Here's news for you, words mean what we want them to mean, and their definitions change over time based on usage.
I understand that you and those who share your belief structure are, in your own minds, the absolute apex of human civilization, but, you are not, and you do not get to dictate to the masses what their words mean.

Just be glad they are not trying to redefine your name to mean homosexual...

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...oh I forgot, you couldn't understand me because I was using words that mean something different than what you know.

Pardon me for being so arrogant to claim that words have meaning.

Oh and btw, I'm sure you don't recognize that Christians are the ones who ended slavery (both in Britain and the US), supported women's sufferage or drove the civil rights movement. I guess we should just forget that part....

...it might hurt the "feelings" of some people.

davidmash · #15 10-21-2012, 12:13 AM

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MARRIAGE ISN'T A CIVIL RIGHT. Or maybe you didn't know that.

Never said it was. It is about equal rights and the 14th amendment.

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It isn't equal rights. The argument never has been about equal rights. If it was then where is the outcry for pederasty being illegal? What about incest? Polygamy? Are those are non-legal relationships which many would like to become legal. Why the inequality?

...or maybe marriage meant something.

I cannot believe you are making this ignorant argument again. You seems to be unable or unwilling to understand the concept of consent. Pedophilia, incest all lack that fundamental component.

I have no issue with polygamy. What consenting adults do is entirely up to them and no one else.

Marriage means what ever we want it to mean. Today it is a legal contract that soon, any two (or more) people may enter into.

And yes you did make the argument. You made the argument when you said we should not change the definition of marriage. Well that definition did change when women were no longer considered property. Love did not used to be part of marriage. It was an exchange of property (women) for power, money, alliances or something else.

You want the definition that suites your religious POV. You are no longer the ruling class who gets to make those decisions. Get used to the new power structure.