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Old 11-28-2012, 01:03 PM
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BBC News - Animal welfare: Germany moves to ban bestiality

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"It is unthinkable that any sexual act with an animal is punished without proof that the animal has come to any harm," he said, adding that animals are capable of showing what they do, or do not, want to do.

"We see animals as partners and not as a means of gratification. We don't force them to do anything. Animals are much easier to understand than women," Mr Kiok claimed.
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:13 PM
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"It is unthinkable that any sexual act with an animal is punished without proof that the animal has come to any harm," he said, adding that animals are capable of showing what they do, or do not, want to do.

"We see animals as partners and not as a means of gratification. We don't force them to do anything. Animals are much easier to understand than women," Mr Kiok claimed.

Doesn't NAMBLA make the same claim?
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Who gets arrested if a dog starts humping your leg?
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Who gets arrested if a dog starts humping your leg?
Same as if a 12 you drops her pants in front of me. I have to run away or if I hump her, well.....
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This one kinda bothers me. Thing is, who did Meiwes really kill? Bernd Jürgen Brandes supposedly wanted to be killed and eaten so where is the problem? Is it really Bernd Jürgen Brandes' life to give or not?
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I can't tell from that picture whether the monkey pitched or received.
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This one kinda bothers me. Thing is, who did Meiwes really kill? Bernd Jürgen Brandes supposedly wanted to be killed and eaten so where is the problem? Is it really Bernd Jürgen Brandes' life to give or not?
Yep, that's the issue. I often give this example to my students since they typically assert that all sexual acts between consenting adults are permissible.
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Yep, that's the issue. I often give this example to my students since they typically assert that all sexual acts between consenting adults are permissible.
So sexual or not, is it my life or not? If it is my life, should I not have full say in it? If I kill you (not that I would), whose life am I taking away? Your life or somebody else's life or what?
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So sexual or not, is it my life or not? If it is my life, should I not have full say in it? If I kill you (not that I would), whose life am I taking away? Your life or somebody else's life or what?
The consumed party wanted to die. The other party assisted. Don't know about Germany, but here in the US, suicide is illegal (i.e. a crime) Assisting in one is too. Ask Dr. Kevorkian.

The dead party's passing cleanses one small drop in the gene pool. Offing the penis hungry dude would cleanse another (imo, at least). However, I think that Dr. Kevorkian will one day be viewed as being way ahead of his time. Some day suicide will be medically acceptable. I guess I'm hung up on my personal sense of morality. Eating humans for sport is plain sick.
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The consumed party wanted to die. The other party assisted. Don't know about Germany, but here in the US, suicide is illegal (i.e. a crime) Assisting in one is too. Ask Dr. Kevorkian.

The dead party's passing cleanses one small drop in the gene pool. Offing the penis hungry dude would cleanse another (imo, at least). However, I think that Dr. Kevorkian will one day be viewed as being way ahead of his time. Some day suicide will be medically acceptable. I guess I'm hung up on my personal sense of morality. Eating humans for sport is plain sick.
I understand all that. My point is that the question of who owns that life is not yet answered. Do I own my life or do you or does some committee? When people talk murder, they are claiming that the murderer takes someone's life that they were unwilling to give up. Thus, in the case of suicide, if it is my life, should I not be able to give it up at will?

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