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Old 12-06-2012, 04:45 PM
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Something like 3.73.

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Not crazy-low for a pickup, and I assume that your transmission has an OD 4th gear...

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Old 12-06-2012, 04:55 PM
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Later, I'm going to start a thread about my pet turtle. See if you can try to segue it into a political discussion, ok?
Pet turtle is an obvious Obama supporter as the turtle is a net "taker"; not a provider/ entrepreneur. ( How was that? OK?)
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Pet turtle is an obvious Obama supporter as the turtle is a net "taker"; not a provider/ entrepreneur. ( How was that? OK?)
Not fair - you're more intellectually adept than he is.
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Old 12-06-2012, 08:35 PM
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Yes, it has the E4OD transmission.

Speaking of pet turtles - Colin Kaepernick has a huge pet tortoise | Yardbarker.com

I don't know which way Collin votes... or the turtle. I wish I could hoist 100+ lb and keep a smile on my face.

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Old 12-06-2012, 08:51 PM
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Roller rockers will lower friction and give you the effect of a higher lift cam.

Keep in mind though, that you have to have the heads machined for screw in studs, guide plates and use hardened push rods.

Oh yeah, you'll need a set of poly locks too.

All of this just to convert to roller fulcrum/tip rockers...
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:12 AM
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Even at $4 a gallon, gas is likely cheaper than any of these mods.
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Old 12-07-2012, 05:28 AM
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Best mileage improvement is simple--slow down. The power required to overcome wind resistance is exponential. i.e doubling the speed requires 4 times the power; triple the speed and you need nine times the power. Works the other way too, cut your speed in half and you reduce the power required by 4. That doesn't mean 1/4 the gas will be used--there are other factors, but speed is the big one.
In reading gas mileage threads--here and on other forums--I am amused when someone posts something like this----"Manufacturer claimed 40 mpg highway--I drive all highway miles and I'm only getting 31.03455 mpg. I drive 80 miles each way from home to work, and it takes me almost an hour for the trip"....( Yes, its a made-up quote--but it illustrates how people complain of poor mileage while driving at extremely high speeds. You can't have it both ways.)
While slowing down may be the cheapest way to improve mileage, I don't agree that it's the best. For example, watch the Top Gear episode where Jeremy drives a diesel Audi from London to Edinburgh and back without refueling. Yes he got great mileage, but it was sheer torture. Switching to a more efficient vehicle is the best way to improve mileage. I can drive my 300D like Lewis Hamilton in qualifying and still get 25 mpg. It's probably possible to extract that mpg from an E150, but the driving style required to do that would drive many people insane.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:40 AM
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While slowing down may be the cheapest way to improve mileage, I don't agree that it's the best. For example, watch the Top Gear episode where Jeremy drives a diesel Audi from London to Edinburgh and back without refueling. Yes he got great mileage, but it was sheer torture. Switching to a more efficient vehicle is the best way to improve mileage. I can drive my 300D like Lewis Hamilton in qualifying and still get 25 mpg. It's probably possible to extract that mpg from an E150, but the driving style required to do that would drive many people insane.
Some truth in that. However, if you NEED the E150 --to carry tools, or materials, or whatever--then switching to a 300D or a Prius is not a viable answer, either. Sometimes the most fuel-efficient vehicle is the one that gets only 8 mpg, but gets it all done in a single trip, with a single vehicle.
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Old 12-07-2012, 10:16 AM
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While slowing down may be the cheapest way to improve mileage, I don't agree that it's the best. For example, watch the Top Gear episode where Jeremy drives a diesel Audi from London to Edinburgh and back without refueling. Yes he got great mileage, but it was sheer torture. Switching to a more efficient vehicle is the best way to improve mileage. I can drive my 300D like Lewis Hamilton in qualifying and still get 25 mpg. It's probably possible to extract that mpg from an E150, but the driving style required to do that would drive many people insane.
No problem. I can think of a couple options.

One would be falling off of a cliff.

The easier option would be to just lie, say it is so.
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Old 12-07-2012, 05:04 PM
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It's a passenger E150 and we take it when we're more than the 7 that'll fit in the minivan. Right there its 15 mpg is more fuel efficient than a pair of '87 300Ds. The 'burb will seat 9 and get 20 mpg but some of the older folk have great difficulty getting in and out. We can take the most efficient vehicle for a given trip but we're saddled with the inefficiency of multiple vehicles. Oh, for a 9-seat Vito or Viano CDI.

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Old 12-07-2012, 06:36 PM
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Matching the ports to the intake and exhaust manifold on those small block Fords yields nearly as much as a full porting job, according to something I read years ago.
Many years ago I had to pull the heads off of my 1984 Z-28 and was amazed at how small the intake ports on the head were by comparison to the intake manifold; in some places it was almost 3/16" difference. The gaskets matched the intake very well, so I used them as a template and marked up the heads and went to work. I think I spent about twenty hours match-porting those heads (the exhaust was fine). The results were amazing across the board and I even saw 26+ on the highway after that. Curiously, the exhaust ports were fine.
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Old 12-08-2012, 08:45 AM
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Many years ago I had to pull the heads off of my 1984 Z-28 and was amazed at how small the intake ports on the head were by comparison to the intake manifold; in some places it was almost 3/16" difference. The gaskets matched the intake very well, so I used them as a template and marked up the heads and went to work. I think I spent about twenty hours match-porting those heads (the exhaust was fine). The results were amazing across the board and I even saw 26+ on the highway after that. Curiously, the exhaust ports were fine.
I cannot imagine how porting the head would increase fuel economy. Power yes, but better economy? I don't see how without changing gear ratios or aerodynamics.
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Old 12-08-2012, 12:00 PM
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Some truth in that. However, if you NEED the E150 --to carry tools, or materials, or whatever--then switching to a 300D or a Prius is not a viable answer, either. Sometimes the most fuel-efficient vehicle is the one that gets only 8 mpg, but gets it all done in a single trip, with a single vehicle.
Well, I think someone could do it getting a lot better than 8mpg, even if they couldn't use a Prius or a compact car w/ an efficient driveline. In general, weight matters, but not as much as aero and drivetrain efficiency. Rocker ratio don't much worth you know what. A large ~4-6k lb truck could average 25-35mpg in normal driving, but most people don't care enough bother with the mods needed for something like that.
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Old 12-08-2012, 01:04 PM
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Well, I think someone could do it getting a lot better than 8mpg, even if they couldn't use a Prius or a compact car w/ an efficient driveline. In general, weight matters, but not as much as aero and drivetrain efficiency. Rocker ratio don't much worth you know what. A large ~4-6k lb truck could average 25-35mpg in normal driving, but most people don't care enough bother with the mods needed for something like that.
I think that is a dream at this point. Don't know and won't be able to tell because people lie so much about mileage it is not worth the time to pursue. I believe that you would waste a lot of time and money and never save a lot of gas. If you want to say you get great mileage just lie like the rest of them.
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Old 12-08-2012, 05:27 PM
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My big dodge gets 22 running about 65. I suspect I could get that to the high twenties with aero mods and a taller gear....really easily. I think if I could get a 355 in there in place of the 373 I would jump 3 mpg immediately. Then if I put on a belly pan, front spoiler and an aero bed cover I could get to 29 or 30 wo too much trouble.

How much are you willing to spend, that is the question?

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