Originally Posted by Bio-Chem-Philo

Well, It's been years since I posted, but unemployment is a hell of a drug. Gives you all this free time. I've declined to post in other politically charged threads linked to me by a friend here as I felt it not worth the effort. I still feel that way, but WTF why not? We have so many others spouting about this and that, why not I jump in since I haven't anything better to do.

The first thing I wanted to mention, which had just been said, is there was reason behind the anti-American vibe in South Korea. The two young girls being killed, and then no justice for the ones responsible. It was deemed a military exercise or something and the court martial acquitted them of all charges, if I have my facts correct. It would be the same as if the British had a military base here in the US, drove around, killed a couple people, and then got off scott free after being shipped back to the UK for a military trial. People would be pissed. Also around this time, 2002 and 2004, South Korea was trying to build relations with North Korea which would involve cutting more ties with the USA. Mix that with the fact that South Korea's population, along with that of many numerous other countries' (include a good portion of the populace here at home), did not like the actions of the US military in Iraq. And lastly, connected to Iraq, a video was posted on Al Jazeera showing an SK citizen being beheaded I think it was by terrorists in protest of SK Soldiers showing up in Iraq. Lots of bad stuff, lots of bad attitudes, etc. etc.

As such, Psy is a performer. He then performed twice on stage at Anti-American events. He may have shared or still share such views with much of the general populace. He may have done it to drum up his on popularity. He could have done it for many of reasons, but he has since apologized.

I also think it necessary to state here that he did not, with those lyrics, wish death slow and painful upon the ALL AMERICAN SOLDIERS and their families, just the ones that tortured Iraqi Captives, and those that ordered them to do it. Hmm, I guess the song had a thing against people who commit such despicable crimes against humans and perhaps humanity as a whole. Torture is bad. Especially when you do it just to humiliate someone and then post happy pictures on your facebook about it. * YA'LL!*

Also, given the lyrics? I would think you want to focus on the previous president as he seems to be the one being threatened. But, ok, you want to focus on the current one because he is the one seeming to OKAY this performer who has had politically charged sentiments tied to him. Fine.

I'm not saying anything that has been said in this thread or in the articles tied to this thread are good, bad, justifiable, whatever. (Except torture. That **** IS bad.) I just felt like bringing up more facts, as I know them. I may have them wrong, I welcome you to research for yourself. I'm going to end this post with two words: Ted Nugent.

Originally Posted by MTI

Wow, the OP gets his post debunked in the first three replies, then still tries to go on the offensive about how this was outrageous conduct and behavior by the President to attend a charity event, and against other forum members who are not in step with his position regarding the president or the event.

Larry, you're making in hard to have that nice day as we all hoped.

Originally Posted by JamesDean

I didn't say others families.

PSY is not the first one to want harm to come to American nor will he be the last.

What about the flip side? Does not many Americans want harm to come to others? Especially around the time of a major traumatic event?

Letting him get away with it... Please. We are not the free speech police of the world. People have a right to say whatever they please to whom, about whom, etc. Just because he is in the presence of the POTUS does not mean the POTUS agrees with his sentiments. This was for a charity event right? Perhaps the POTUS realizes that his and PSY's presence would benefit the charity more so than without?

Or maybe the POTUS just didn't give a **** about some song a Korean pop-star made year ago?

Originally Posted by MTI

Larry, I think every one but you knows about reading and comprehending your posts here. Your own choice of words, the twisting of facts and non-facts to suit your agenda and philosophy speak for themselves. We all know your intent of this thread, but you try to wrap it in some false noble rhetoric which only diminishes you. I think many are long past any sense of hate towards you, it's merely changed over to sympathetic face palming.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

Originally Posted by Air&Road

So you don't understand how sad it is to see so many people protecting someone who will condone someone saying "I wish a slow and painful death to American Soldiers and their families?"

It's sad to see someone consider such a hateful statement as "false, noble rhetoric." Sometimes I think that there is just no hope left for our country. You are definitely driving me to that position today.

If you don't see such a statement as disgusting, then MY sympathies are with YOU!

Originally Posted by dropnosky

larry, what kind of reality do you live in?

Worse stuff is said every day about incidental crap all over the globe. Why, just this morning, I said loudly after an hour on the phone that I intended to burn down my local bank branch.

The guy is a performer who said a bunch of hateful crap years back in a politically charged time. Subsequently, he apologized, which you can take or leave, but I think the majority of the people hearing about it probably could give a shyte about this silly issue. I know I really don't care what he had to say. Hes entitled to say whatever the hell he wants. Hes making big money these days off of the US market, so my bet is he ran out this apology so "gangham style" could continue raking in the cash.

He had an ax to grind, he was pissed off at the time, and he wrote a song. Subsequently after his apology he's even played for the US army as the article states.

The only person who cares or is upset about it seems to be you, and predictably, you are trying to leverage a hate song from years ago sung by a korean as a preposterous attack on the current president.

As if Obama attending a privately run charity event is somehow condoning statements made in a song by this guy from like 8 years ago. Its flatly ridiculous as usual.

Originally Posted by Benz Fan

This Psy guy is a 4-star, chrome-plated, horse's arse.

This is a version of his hit song that was originally intended only for consumption in Asia. Approximately 3/4 of the way through, he dry humps an American flag-waving George Bush impersonator. Not surprisingly, this bit is deleted in the later version of the video.

You be the judge if this evidences anti-American sentiment:

PSY - GANGNAM STYLE (

Originally Posted by Air&Road

Oh Well he apologized! That makes ALL the difference!!!!!

For the sake of discussion, let's say that I got in a heated argument with you and said that "I wish a slow and painful death for you and your family." THEN after a time, I apologized to you for it. Do you think I should then seriously await an invitation from you to come to your house for dinner? I really don't think that invitation would ever come, do you?

Originally Posted by dropnosky

Using your analogy, he already has the invitation Larry. His pop music is extremely popular in the US, or he wouldn't have been invited to play at this benefit. Once again, its a PRIVATE third party benefit function, not Obama calling him up and inviting him over for a round of cards and some whiskey.

Who cares if his apology is sincere or not or if you want to accept it? Personally, I think its a calculated move in order to protect his profits made in the US and head off attacks on him now that he's broken into the US market.

The president has naught to do with it.
I love how on one hand you vehemently object to any government interference, but on the other, endlessly advocate a police state complete with thought police ready to enforce what you think is right.

Originally Posted by Air&Road

Here's a link for all you Obama zealots:

White House Deletes Petition Amid Psy

Originally Posted by JamesDean

Is not that the function of an apology? Can we not reflect on things we've done in the past , realize they were both wrong and said during heated times and subsequently apologize? Are we not allowed to?