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Mark Rapier · #1 12-11-2012, 11:58 PM

No different from pedophillia, at least according to the experts from the great enlightened northern community of Canada!

"You raise the issue of pedophilia. Let me just make some distinctions for you.

First of all, pedophiles are people who prefer prepubescent children. They're not interested in 15-year-olds who have an adult body shape or anything like that. They're not interested in those kinds of people. They have quite a restricted area of sexual interests in terms of the kinds of body types that their victims have. There is no evidence that this sort of preference can be changed through treatment or through anything else.

Treatment for those offenders shades into management, where you essentially have to teach someone to live within their sexual preference structure. They have to find other kinds of outlets. They have to avoid high-risk situations. They have to do all those sorts of things. But I think that most people would agree that this kind of sexual preference pattern—an actual preference for prepubertal children—is not alterable by any kinds of current treatments." Dr. Vernon Quinsey

"For instance, it is a fact that real pedophiles account for only 20% of sexual abusers. If we know that pedophiles are not simply people who commit a small offence from time to time but rather are grappling with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another individual may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality, and if we agree on the fact that true pedophiles have an exclusive preference for children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation, everyone knows that there is no such thing as real therapy. You cannot change this person's sexual orientation. He may however remain abstinent." Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem

Committee on Feb. 14th, 2011 | openparliament.ca

Botnst · #2 12-12-2012, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Rapier

No different from pedophillia, at least according to the experts from the great enlightened northern community of Canada!

"You raise the issue of pedophilia. Let me just make some distinctions for you.

First of all, pedophiles are people who prefer prepubescent children. They're not interested in 15-year-olds who have an adult body shape or anything like that. They're not interested in those kinds of people. They have quite a restricted area of sexual interests in terms of the kinds of body types that their victims have. There is no evidence that this sort of preference can be changed through treatment or through anything else.

Treatment for those offenders shades into management, where you essentially have to teach someone to live within their sexual preference structure. They have to find other kinds of outlets. They have to avoid high-risk situations. They have to do all those sorts of things. But I think that most people would agree that this kind of sexual preference pattern—an actual preference for prepubertal children—is not alterable by any kinds of current treatments." Dr. Vernon Quinsey

"For instance, it is a fact that real pedophiles account for only 20% of sexual abusers. If we know that pedophiles are not simply people who commit a small offence from time to time but rather are grappling with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another individual may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality, and if we agree on the fact that true pedophiles have an exclusive preference for children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation, everyone knows that there is no such thing as real therapy. You cannot change this person's sexual orientation. He may however remain abstinent." Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem

Committee on Feb. 14th, 2011 | openparliament.ca

Explain how these descriptions differ from the way heterosexuals are attracted to members of the opposite sex.

Mark Rapier · #3 12-12-2012, 02:23 PM

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Explain how these descriptions differ from the way heterosexuals are attracted to members of the opposite sex.

Can a difference that doesn't exist be explained?

engatwork · #4 12-12-2012, 03:17 PM

My first wife tried her best to make me turn gay but was never successful. I am quite happy now though

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Anyone that may take offense to this please disregard - I'm just joking around.

The Clk Man · #5 12-12-2012, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by engatwork

My first wife tried her best to make me turn gay but was never successful. I am quite happy now though

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Anyone that may take offense to this please disregard - I'm just joking around.

Uh........... Jim. when you and your wife was at my house, she told me that you was gay.... Sup wid dat?

engatwork · #6 12-12-2012, 03:46 PM

You were talking to the second wife and NOT the first wife

. I'm very gay (cheerful and happy) around the second wife. Let me know if you want me to introduce you to the first wife

. Talk about losing balls, sheesh

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aklim · #7 12-12-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by engatwork

My first wife tried her best to make me turn gay but was never successful. I am quite happy now though

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Anyone that may take offense to this please disregard - I'm just joking around.

How? Exposing you to gay porn? Make you dress up like a girl? Inquiring minds want to know.

davidmash · #8 12-12-2012, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Rapier

No different from pedophillia, at least according to the experts from the great enlightened northern community of Canada!

"You raise the issue of pedophilia. Let me just make some distinctions for you.

First of all, pedophiles are people who prefer prepubescent children. They're not interested in 15-year-olds who have an adult body shape or anything like that. They're not interested in those kinds of people. They have quite a restricted area of sexual interests in terms of the kinds of body types that their victims have. There is no evidence that this sort of preference can be changed through treatment or through anything else.

Treatment for those offenders shades into management, where you essentially have to teach someone to live within their sexual preference structure. They have to find other kinds of outlets. They have to avoid high-risk situations. They have to do all those sorts of things. But I think that most people would agree that this kind of sexual preference pattern—an actual preference for prepubertal children—is not alterable by any kinds of current treatments." Dr. Vernon Quinsey

"For instance, it is a fact that real pedophiles account for only 20% of sexual abusers. If we know that pedophiles are not simply people who commit a small offence from time to time but rather are grappling with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another individual may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality, and if we agree on the fact that true pedophiles have an exclusive preference for children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation, everyone knows that there is no such thing as real therapy. You cannot change this person's sexual orientation. He may however remain abstinent." Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem

Committee on Feb. 14th, 2011 | openparliament.ca

So are you arguing that that there is no difference between consensual (same sex adult relationships) and non-consensual (pedophile) relationships?

KarTek · #9 12-12-2012, 11:05 AM

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So are you arguing that that there is no difference between consensual (same sex adult relationships) and non-consensual (pedophile) relationships?

It seems like this is saying that the root cause of both behaviors may be similar but I don't believe that it's appropriate to lump both resulting behaviors into the same category. Anyone that would do this is confused or trying to start trouble.

davidmash · #10 12-12-2012, 11:37 AM

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It seems like this is saying that the root cause of both behaviors may be similar but I don't believe that it's appropriate to lump both resulting behaviors into the same category. Anyone that would do this is confused or trying to start trouble.

Hence my question. He did seem to imply the above relation with the opening statement highlighted in bold.

Mark Rapier · #11 12-12-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KarTek

It seems like this is saying that the root cause of both behaviors may be similar but I don't believe that it's appropriate to lump both resulting behaviors into the same category. Anyone that would do this is confused or trying to start trouble.

But the topic of the thread and the article quoted is the root causes of behaviors, and you concure "the root cause of both behaviors may be similar"!

Isn't it davidmash, with his inability to understand the topic and discussion who is seeking through his question to imply falsely that the resulting behaviors are being lumpd into the same catagory? I wonder if he's confused or trying to start trouble?

KarTek · #12 12-12-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Rapier

Isn't it davidmash, with his inability to understand the topic and discussion who is seeking through his question to imply falsely that the resulting behaviors are being lumpd into the same catagory? I wonder if he's confused or trying to start trouble?

I did sense that a nerve was being touched there...

cmac2012 · #13 12-13-2012, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Rapier

No different from pedophillia, at least according to the experts from the great enlightened northern community of Canada!

Nothing in your quoted info claims that some biological factor is at play in pedophiles. It's likely IMO that pedophilia is learned behavior, and that the background and experiences that lead to that are difficult to erase or undo in later life.

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Can a difference that doesn't exist be explained?

Latest in a series of swings and misses.

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Pedophiles are criminals only because certain people deny people under a certain age the human right to pursue happiness with people who are predisposed to be attracted to them. It's hate and bigotry imposed by a majority on a disenfranchised minority and those that seek to love with them.
If hateful and bigoted hearts could be opened and society could advance to appreciate the true beauty of all love between all humans then the stigma of sexual age-ism would cease to exist and everyone could live there life with the liberty to pursue their happiness.

Clumsy satire. No points.

aklim · #14 12-13-2012, 08:11 AM

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It's likely IMO that pedophilia is learned behavior, and that the background and experiences that lead to that are difficult to erase or undo in later life.

Too bad. As my teacher used to say "Curb your bad behavior or I curb it for you.". I don't give a rip if it is learned or not, difficult to undo or not. If it is too tough, there is always a hardware store that sells ropes. Google "noose" and go with it.

cmac2012 · #15 12-13-2012, 01:24 PM

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Too bad. As my teacher used to say "Curb your bad behavior or I curb it for you.". I don't give a rip if it is learned or not, difficult to undo or not. If it is too tough, there is always a hardware store that sells ropes. Google "noose" and go with it.

Thank you Aklim. You completely missed the point I was making. The Rapier/BillyBob-like person was trying to equate pedophilia with homosexuality, implying that the same arguments should extend to both. My counter was essentially that no evidence I know of exists implying that pedophilia has a biological root, aside from the innate desire to make ones wiener feel good perhaps, and that my opinion was that it, pedophilia, is learned behavior that is hard to unlearn. I said nothing about what sanctions should or should not be brought on a person indulging in it.