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cmac2012 · #46 12-13-2012, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Rapier

No different from pedophillia, at least according to the experts from the great enlightened northern community of Canada!

Nothing in your quoted info claims that some biological factor is at play in pedophiles. It's likely IMO that pedophilia is learned behavior, and that the background and experiences that lead to that are difficult to erase or undo in later life.

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Originally Posted by Mark Rapier

Can a difference that doesn't exist be explained?

Latest in a series of swings and misses.

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Pedophiles are criminals only because certain people deny people under a certain age the human right to pursue happiness with people who are predisposed to be attracted to them. It's hate and bigotry imposed by a majority on a disenfranchised minority and those that seek to love with them.
If hateful and bigoted hearts could be opened and society could advance to appreciate the true beauty of all love between all humans then the stigma of sexual age-ism would cease to exist and everyone could live there life with the liberty to pursue their happiness.

Clumsy satire. No points.

Botnst · #47 12-13-2012, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

You don't care. It does not affect you so someone else's behavior is their own problem. The right wingers and the religious zealots care because if it is a choice they can blame someone (other than their god because that would be inconvenient) and tell them they are bad for making a bad choice. As if they chose to be straight. I have yet to meet someone who can say they chose to be straight. If they did choose that means that being gay was an option. The second you say that .. they run like hell.

There is no science and there never has been any science to prove that sexual orientation is a choice. Not to say someone may not prove it, but I think it is highly unlikely.

In most instances one may choose the orientation one wishes to express.

What goes on in our teenie festering little minds, that's a whole 'nuther country.

aklim · #48 12-13-2012, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

It's likely IMO that pedophilia is learned behavior, and that the background and experiences that lead to that are difficult to erase or undo in later life.

Too bad. As my teacher used to say "Curb your bad behavior or I curb it for you.". I don't give a rip if it is learned or not, difficult to undo or not. If it is too tough, there is always a hardware store that sells ropes. Google "noose" and go with it.

cmac2012 · #49 12-13-2012, 01:24 PM

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Too bad. As my teacher used to say "Curb your bad behavior or I curb it for you.". I don't give a rip if it is learned or not, difficult to undo or not. If it is too tough, there is always a hardware store that sells ropes. Google "noose" and go with it.

Thank you Aklim. You completely missed the point I was making. The Rapier/BillyBob-like person was trying to equate pedophilia with homosexuality, implying that the same arguments should extend to both. My counter was essentially that no evidence I know of exists implying that pedophilia has a biological root, aside from the innate desire to make ones wiener feel good perhaps, and that my opinion was that it, pedophilia, is learned behavior that is hard to unlearn. I said nothing about what sanctions should or should not be brought on a person indulging in it.

davidmash · #50 12-13-2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

In most instances one may choose the orientation one wishes to express.

What goes on in our teenie festering little minds, that's a whole 'nuther country.

I cannot get in to the mind of another so I cannot comment on what others 'choose' but I do not recall ever making that decision. I can just speak for my self and I do not ever recall deciding what orientation to exhibit. I act in a manner that feels natural to me. I never recall there being a time in my life when I was looking at penises and vaginas and trying to figure out which way to go.

Mark Rapier · #51 12-13-2012, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Thank you Aklim. You completely missed the point I was making. The Rapier/BillyBob-like person was trying to equate pedophilia with homosexuality, implying that the same arguments should extend to both. My counter was essentially that no evidence I know of exists implying that pedophilia has a biological root, aside from the innate desire to make ones wiener feel good perhaps, and that my opinion was that it, pedophilia, is learned behavior that is hard to unlearn. I said nothing about what sanctions should or should not be brought on a person indulging in it.

Ah Snyder, I'm glad that you qualified the basis of your proffered opinion if for no other reason than anyone who can read will be able to understand the "Forrest Gump-ness - stupid is, as stupid does" of it. Because you are ignorant of evidence your "counter" position is valid? Your present day argument against the biological root of sexual orientation sounds a lot like some circa 1950s heterosexual argument about homosexual orientation, you know it's a learned behavior because you're ignorant of evidence to the contrary, got it!

What is your evidence that your own sexual orientation is derived from some biological root but a pedophiles is not? Or is it just that such hatred and bigotry against people who love different from you is rooted deep in your own insecurities?

I'll admit I put forth my initial statement with the anticipation that someone would respond and in doing so display such foolish hypocrisy as they tried to differentiate between the so often claimed inborn and unalterable sexual preference of homosexuals and those of pedophiles. Someone tried to respond but it appears he was neither capable of actually understanding nor addressing the point being made. You on the other hand understand the point but aren't much more capable of anything other than a pathetically weak response, akin to little more that a tantrum of unsupported opinion. But I appreciate you outing yourself as a hater of a particular sexual orientation which you claim is not an equivalent legitimately founded un-chosen predisposition, unlike your own sexual orientation.

But, in that I'm unable to deviate from my inherently kind and generous spirit, I am more than willing to assist you in releasing yourself from the shackles of ignorance that you rely upon to justify your intolerance of others with whom you might not share the same predilections.

Understanding your delicate and discerning sensibilities I've elected to offer you information so as to broaden and expand your knowledge base, and to do so from a decidedly left-leaning source that I trust you would find sufficiently palatable. You can read the article and within it are links to primary source material that I suspect most honestly open minded and objective thinkers could acknowledge as “...evidence implying that pedophilia has a biological root, aside from the innate desire to make one's wiener feel good perhaps...”

Born This Way: Sympathy and Science for Those Who Want to Have Sex with Children

While the revelation of this information may in the short term burst your self deluded bubble; in the long run it could be a blessing in disguise, facilitating a more reasoned and rational self awareness for you and an enhanced capacity for the tolerance of alternative perspective.

davidmash · #52 12-13-2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Thank you Aklim. You completely missed the point I was making. The Rapier/BillyBob-like person was trying to equate pedophilia with homosexuality, implying that the same arguments should extend to both. My counter was essentially that no evidence I know of exists implying that pedophilia has a biological root, aside from the innate desire to make ones wiener feel good perhaps, and that my opinion was that it, pedophilia, is learned behavior that is hard to unlearn. I said nothing about what sanctions should or should not be brought on a person indulging in it.

I seem to recall reading a few articles that say pedophiles are genetic (at least in some part) disorders. The human is a very complex being and I do not think we have even the most basic of understanding of how we operate and how we are designed. I suspect quite a few if not all of our traits are a combination of genetic and learned behaviors. Some of our behaviors/characteristics are probably all genetic while others are learned. While science has not determined what affects what, I would be very uncomfortable with the notion that Dahlmer, Manson, BTK etc were 'normal' people who learned to hate. I think there has to be something in their head that is not wired quite right.

As a side note, I think mob behavior is something entirely different.

I guess in this respect I agree with Akilim. Who cares if they are learned, genetic or a combination. If consenting adults wish to partake in what ever behavior then let them have at it. When it involves force then it is not OK regardless of whether it is natural or learned.

I think the attempts by people like BB or Larry and others to equate homosexuality with pedophiles, bestiality and other such perversions that do not involve consent from all parties involved is just a last ditch effort to persuade people that it is OK to deprive people of equal rights.

Mark Rapier · #53 12-13-2012, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

I seem to recall reading a few articles that say pedophiles are genetic (at least in some part) disorders. The human is a very complex being and I do not think we have even the most basic of understanding of how we operate and how we are designed. I suspect quite a few if not all of our traits are a combination of genetic and learned behaviors. Some of our behaviors/characteristics are probably all genetic while others are learned. While science has not determined what affects what, I would be very uncomfortable with the notion that Dahlmer, Manson, BTK etc were 'normal' people who learned to hate. I think there has to be something in their head that is not wired quite right.

As a side note, I think mob behavior is something entirely different.

I guess in this respect I agree with Akilim. Who cares if they are learned, genetic or a combination. If consenting adults wish to partake in what ever behavior then let them have at it. When it involves force then it is not OK regardless of whether it is natural or learned.

I think the attempts by people like BB or Larry and others to equate homosexuality with pedophiles, bestiality and other such perversions that do not involve consent from all parties involved is just a last ditch effort to persuade people that it is OK to deprive people of equal rights.

Because it is perfectly consistent for an oppressive majority to deprive a disenfranchised minority of their equal human right to self determination i.e. consent? All animals are equal some animals are more equal than others.

engatwork · #54 12-13-2012, 06:07 PM

Me and wife #1 went to the nude beach at Negril Jamaica one time and that is when she realized some men are more equal than others

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aklim · #55 12-13-2012, 06:15 PM

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Me and wife #1 went to the nude beach at Negril Jamaica one time and that is when she realized some men are more equal than others

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How was Hedonism?

engatwork · #56 12-13-2012, 07:01 PM

If you ever get an opportunity go

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aklim · #57 12-13-2012, 07:11 PM

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If you ever get an opportunity go

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Were the girls better than the first wife? Did you ever get out of bed?

Botnst · #58 12-13-2012, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

I cannot get in to the mind of another so I cannot comment on what others 'choose' but I do not recall ever making that decision. I can just speak for my self and I do not ever recall deciding what orientation to exhibit. I act in a manner that feels natural to me. I never recall there being a time in my life when I was looking at penises and vaginas and trying to figure out which way to go.

You and I both choose how we express our orientations. Expression is fully under our control.

Take for example reflex behavior. We can train ourselves not to react reflexively. The response to the stimulus is under our control.
In the same sense, we may (or may not) have a strong attraction to our own or the opposite sex. It is our own choice and decision whether or how we express it. It is an attraction, not a compulsion.

ruchase · #59 12-13-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

Liberal nonsense. Everybody knows being gay is a choice.

That's right elchivito...you tell 'em!

davidmash · #60 12-13-2012, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

You and I both choose how we express our orientations. Expression is fully under our control.

Take for example reflex behavior. We can train ourselves not to react reflexively. The response to the stimulus is under our control.
In the same sense, we may (or may not) have a strong attraction to our own or the opposite sex. It is our own choice and decision whether or how we express it. It is an attraction, not a compulsion.

I disagree. Can I choose to go out and wear a dress. Yes. Is is a natural action for me, no. Can I go out and love a man....no. I can pretend to do so. I could go through all the motions but I would never love a man. That is not a choice for me, it is the way I am wired. There are certain things that we can control, there are certain things we cannot control. Who I love or can love is not one on of them in my opinion.