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Old 01-21-2013, 10:17 PM
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The problem there is that historically, firearm registration has led to firearm confiscation in several countries. Not only that, you have the example of the idiot editor in New York publishing home addresses of registered gun owners. If I could be 100% certain that neither of these things would happen, then I would feel ok registering my guns. Possession of a firearm while intoxicated is already illegal, at least in Nevada (NRS 202.257).

Do you really feel that the current risk of being shot at the mall or the movie theater or at school is great enough to even consider? The only thing I worry about in that situation is coming outside to find my motorcycle's been run over by a truck. That one has actually happened to me.
Of course the risk of being shot in school must be considered. That risk is so great, at least according to a national organization that promotes the sale and marketing of guns, that we should put MORE GUNS in schools. That way, this risk which you think is not even worth considering, would be properly addressed. Or maybe they're just trying to sell more guns?

If you'd have placed more trucks around your motorcycle in order to protect it, then it wouldn't have been hit by a truck. Or maybe you should have driven a truck, instead, that way it would have defended itself from the other truck. See how this logic works?

By the way, in Germany if you get a DUI, you can lose the privilege to own a gun. Something about acting irresponsibly under the influence of alcohol and endangering others.

We now return you to the rational debate...

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Old 01-21-2013, 10:26 PM
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This is actually a harassment tactic to make it more expensive for someone to own a Gun.

Gun Insurance plus the Gun Safe someone mentioned in a previous Thread could cost a bit.


Even if you believe that Guns are only made to Kill; it is pretty clear that the average Person is more likely to injure someone with their Vehicle than then the average Gun owner is to injure someone else with their Gun.

I can't wait to see what happens when the Cops knock on the local Crack House Door and ask to see the Firearms Insurance.
And car insurance is a harassment tactic, too? We all know it's just a scam to drive up the costs of car ownership.

What's your opinion on an uninsured driver running into you? Are you okay with that?

I think gun-owner insurance is a great idea. Training discounts (like drivers' ed), higher prices for high performance guns (like sports cars), and my favorite: a "vanishing deductible"! Every year that your gun doesn't accidentally hurt someone your rates get reduced.

Brilliant!
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:49 PM
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which is why Husky's required fMRI brain scan checking for psychopathic tendencies has so many possibilities. Simply ship the homicidal mental cases to Alcatraz island. simple, easy and finally peace on earth, good will towards men.
So is there such a machine in service anywhere in the world?
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:29 PM
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It's not a matter of gun control, it's a matter of keeping the homicidal mental cases from getting them.
Except that the Anti Gun Folks think anyone who wants to own a Gun is a homicidal mental case.
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:46 PM
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Of course the risk of being shot in school must be considered. That risk is so great, at least according to a national organization that promotes the sale and marketing of guns, that we should put MORE GUNS in schools. That way, this risk which you think is not even worth considering, would be properly addressed. Or maybe they're just trying to sell more guns?

If you'd have placed more trucks around your motorcycle in order to protect it, then it wouldn't have been hit by a truck. Or maybe you should have driven a truck, instead, that way it would have defended itself from the other truck. See how this logic works?

By the way, in Germany if you get a DUI, you can lose the privilege to own a gun. Something about acting irresponsibly under the influence of alcohol and endangering others.

We now return you to the rational debate...

(I'm sure it'll start sometime soon, but you might want to get some snacks or something while you're waiting.)
Anti Gun focuses on the Gun itself as a cause; pro Gunn focuses on the User of the Gun as the Cause.

Putting properly trained Armed Guards or Police in a School puts the Guns in the hands of Persons who could hopefully prevent or stop a violent situations.

It has already been suggested in other Threads that Teachers other authorized Persons could be armed with Tazers or the Pepper Spray that is used during Bear attacks.

The term rational debate seems to have a lot of flexibility to it. To Me rational debate means presenting facts or if you are not presenting a fact saying I feel or I believe....

It also means that even If I don't have to like or concur with what the other person is presenting.
 
I think a lot of the problems with rational diecussion is that People have a believe or feeling that they think is rational but not facts to back that up.

Some consider the speculative argument that the recent mass murder could not have committed the Crime without the Bushmaster or if the Magazines for the Gun had held less Bullets as rational.
I still see that argument a too speculative to be rational because the Murder took time to plan what was going to do. This means that if He did not have the Bushmaster or the Magazines that He did have the Murder could have figured out away to to do what He did. In this particular case He also brought Hand Guns with Him; I think He could have done the same with the Hand Guns.
So that is what is rational to Me.
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Old 01-22-2013, 02:01 PM
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Some consider the speculative argument that the recent mass murder could not have committed the Crime without the Bushmaster or if the Magazines for the Gun had held less Bullets as rational.
I still see that argument a too speculative to be rational because the Murder took time to plan what was going to do. This means that if He did not have the Bushmaster or the Magazines that He did have the Murder could have figured out away to to do what He did. In this particular case He also brought Hand Guns with Him; I think He could have done the same with the Hand Guns.
So that is what is rational to Me.
In fact he did all the damage with hand guns, and left the Bushmaster in the car.
NBC Admitted: No 'Assault Rifle' Used in Newtown Shooting Independent Journal Review

But don't let facts get in the way of talking about "Assault Rifles"
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Old 01-22-2013, 05:14 PM
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In fact he did all the damage with hand guns, and left the Bushmaster in the car.
NBC Admitted: No 'Assault Rifle' Used in Newtown Shooting Independent Journal Review

But don't let facts get in the way of talking about "Assault Rifles"
Thanks for the info.

Did you mean Assault Rifles or Assault Weapons?

I guess I was lead astray by the Media and what the Anti Gun Folks said. Well at lest Give me credit for listening.

That sort of upholds what one website that as a chart of the Weapons used in Mass Murders from 1982-2012. Semiautomatic Hand Guns where used most often.
the weapons used to kill in the us. Search
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map
There is another or more charts but I could not get it to move on to page 2.
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Old 01-22-2013, 05:59 PM
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And car insurance is a harassment tactic, too? We all know it's just a scam to drive up the costs of car ownership.
I think you are trying to turn an Apple into an Orange here. One of the reasons we have Car Insurance is that Car Accidents are extremely frequent. I would say most of the People that I know have had some sort of a Car Accident; even if it is only bumping another Vehicle in a Parking Lot.
Yet I don't personally know even one person who has been injured by a Gun accidently or on purpose.
The scam part of Auto Insurance is that I have to pay for insureance on each Vehicle I own even though I can only drive one at a time.
What's your opinion on an uninsured driver running into you? Are you okay with that?
I don't think the paragraph was an especially good comment because People purchase their own Uninsured Motorist Insurance. This makes Me what to ask would you like to pay for Your own Insurance incase of the chance that you might be shoot?
I know how to but do not like to argue in the manner of the above comment I made.

"Opinion on uninsured driver running into Me": I take that chance evertime I drive.
However, I was in a Car Accident with an Insured Driver and busted a bunch of Ribs and My Lung Collasped. I did not like what happend to Me even though the Driver was insured.
I was able to Sue and collected a good settlement on that.

I think gun-owner insurance is a great idea. Training discounts (like drivers' ed), higher prices for high performance guns (like sports cars), and my favorite: a "vanishing deductible"! Every year that your gun doesn't accidentally hurt someone your rates get reduced.

Off course you are welcome to think all of your Ideas are good if that pleases you.

I simply don't see that the volume of Gun injuries in any way compares to the Auto Injuries to justify Insurance.

I also thought that all sorts of Accidental Injures are covered under peoples Home Owners Insurance Policy.

Something you have not thought of is that I don't think any Insurance Company is going to pay out Insurance on a case someone who uses a Gun in the commission of a Crime cause injury or Death or even damages Property.
Just like if it could be proved purposely Ran over someone with My Car (used the Car as a Weapon). I am sure My Car Insurance would not Pay for that.

Brilliant!
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Old 01-22-2013, 07:02 PM
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So is there such a machine in service anywhere in the world?
they are all over the place; some of the big companies in the MRI business are: General Electric, Toshiba, Hitachi, Siemens AG. The computers that process and assemble the image utilize a very high tech computer language called Fourier; I'm told some of the logic used in the image processing came from Einstein. Many of the hospitals located in major metropolitan cities have an fMRI suite. All we have to do is start running everyone through it and the ones that come up a psychopath will be set aside for further testing and analysis. Once we know that they are a certified whack job, off to Alcatraz they go. They will be assigned a number for easy computer tracking and given a device like this:

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Here is one article on the inner workings of fMRI:

HowStuffWorks "How fMRI Works"

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Sounds like a good idea. Start in the WalMart parking lot then move to US congress.
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Sounds like a good idea. Start in the WalMart parking lot then move to US congress.
The Brits have a saying, "The fish rots from the head down", so let's start with Congress and then work our way down. Something tells me that with this system, Congress may experience a dramatic loss in numbers......

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