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Old 09-24-2013, 10:27 AM
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Old 09-24-2013, 10:29 AM
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On a side note, is it just me or does it seem like some of these groups might just be playing the religion card to give a blanket reason for any of their actions?
Try singing the Battle Hymn of the Republic and not think about the lyric.
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Old 09-24-2013, 02:12 PM
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Try singing the Battle Hymn of the Republic and not think about the lyric.
And do include all verses. Same with Star Spangled Banner....

This is why I prefer Irving Berlin's.
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Old 09-24-2013, 02:43 PM
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But they are killing more muslims than anyone else. I guess no paradise for them.
Iv'e read that the way these guy loophole their way out of it is that the folks they killed were not the right kind of Muslims, or something like that.

Sounds complicated to me. There are some Iman's that come up with the rules to suit themselves, and if the people they are teaching can't read then how are they to know if the Iman is lying?
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Old 09-24-2013, 03:04 PM
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Iv'e read that the way these guy loophole their way out of it is that the folks they killed were not the right kind of Muslims, or something like that.

Sounds complicated to me. There are some Iman's that come up with the rules to suit themselves, and if the people they are teaching can't read then how are they to know if the Iman is lying?
How does the kid know whether sex with the priest is the right thing to do or not? Same thing. You swallow, pun intended, whatever the priests dish out hook, line and sinker.
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Old 09-24-2013, 03:16 PM
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Seems that the those seriously devoted to maximum self infatuation can't enjoy the top level of favor from Mohammad w/o perceiving a large body of sinners around them who must be purged for the benefits of heaven to manifest. Sort of a 'clearly we are the chosen, just look at these slugs around us . . .'

This vid displays that attitude rather graphically:

LiveLeak.com - ISIL Death Cult Kills Three Syrian Truck Drivers in Iraq after Failing the ?Are You Sunni?? Test
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Old 09-24-2013, 03:40 PM
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Seems that the those seriously devoted to maximum self infatuation can't enjoy the top level of favor from Mohammad w/o perceiving a large body of sinners around them who must be purged for the benefits of heaven to manifest. Sort of a 'clearly we are the chosen, just look at these slugs around us . . .'

This vid displays that attitude rather graphically:

LiveLeak.com - ISIL Death Cult Kills Three Syrian Truck Drivers in Iraq after Failing the ?Are You Sunni?? Test
lovely sort, aren't they?
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Old 09-24-2013, 03:41 PM
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How does the kid know whether sex with the priest is the right thing to do or not? Same thing. You swallow, pun intended, whatever the priests dish out hook, line and sinker.
No, it's not the same.

Christians have the option of reading the Bible. The supernumerous translations available in pretty much every language means that unless someone can't read... they can read the Bible. (except if you're RC.. then you have the magisterium to worry about)

The Qu'ran supposedly existed in Arabic... in Heaven. Meaning that if you aren't reading it in Arabic (classical Arabic at that), then you can't really read it. You are also dependent on the Hadith to understand it. And getting through only one collection of the Hadith (like Sahih al-Bukhari) is like reading only one book, every single night... for 6 months. And then you only have only the view of one collection (there are three main ones).

Then you have Imams... and if you're Shia you have an Ayatollah, etc.
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Old 09-24-2013, 03:49 PM
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Seems that the those seriously devoted to maximum self infatuation can't enjoy the top level of favor from Mohammad w/o perceiving a large body of sinners around them who must be purged for the benefits of heaven to manifest. Sort of a 'clearly we are the chosen, just look at these slugs around us . . .'

This vid displays that attitude rather graphically:

LiveLeak.com - ISIL Death Cult Kills Three Syrian Truck Drivers in Iraq after Failing the ?Are You Sunni?? Test
I am also what is considered to be a "mushrik". But only because Muhammed/Allah didn't know what Christians believed in the 7th century (or the 1st century for that matter).
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I am also what is considered to be a "mushrik". But only because Muhammed/Allah didn't know what Christians believed in the 7th century (or the 1st century for that matter).
Take a break slick...your schtick has gotten very long in the tooth.
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Old 09-25-2013, 12:46 AM
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Take a break slick...your schtick has gotten very long in the tooth.
And the drive by judgement by you isn't?

Puleeze.
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And the drive by judgement by you isn't?

Puleeze.
By all means....continue your personal jihad.
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lovely sort, aren't they?
It's hard to figure how the Sunni/Shia split became so rancorous. The Zen tradition talks about the pitfall of duality. It something I'm far from mastering, just getting my head around it is hard enough. It seems as though there is an inherent tendency in humans to break things down into us vs. them. Can certainly be seen a great deal.

FWIW, here's the first two paragraphs of the Hsin Hsin Ming, the oldest known Zen document, China, 3rd century AD:

The Great Way is not difficult for those who have no preferences. When love and hate are both absent everything becomes clear and undisguised. Make the smallest distinction, however, and heaven and earth are set infinitely apart.

If you wish to see the truth then hold no opinions for or against anything. To set up what you like against what you dislike is the disease of the mind.


Hard to get your head around. I don't claim to have it mastered to any degree.
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Islam is not Zen-ish.
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The USA is not Zen-ish.

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