This one time at band camp.....

Actually, you know more people with real money than you imagine.
Almost all of us here at PP have real money, only a few are given Monopoly money to play with.

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1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

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What does he know?

Prove it.

Well, for starters, when I take money out of my wallet, it's all the same green color...

How many colors you got in your wallet??

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On some nights I still believe that a car with the fuel gauge on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. - HST

1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

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Monopoly money is green.....so what?

Only the $20's...

It sounds as though you've pretty much convicted the guy sans trial and jury. On your first paragraph, no that is not what I'm saying. What I am getting at is that the best and the brightest don't often apply to be officers, IMO. And why would they? Every pea brain who wants to get away with something views cops as practically their chief enemy. Even average people resent cops because of traffic tickets - poor babies, they were born to drive 80 and 90, it's so cruel to clip their wings.

We'll likely never know that much about the officer who did the shooting, or just how oddly and aggressively the guy approached them.

In summation, there are two sides to every story and the consensus I'm getting here is that the cop's story isn't worth 2 cents, fok him, the jackbooted thug.

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It is a bit odd that she would open the door. I'm a tough guy and I'm not sure I would have under the circumstances. I gather that a lot of people think a peep hole clutters the beauty of their front door. Not me, I think they're useful. If the woman had asked what he wanted instead of opening the door, this whole thing might well not have happened. She'd have told officers that the man claimed to have been in an accident, might have put a different complexion on things.

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Cops should be held to a higher standard. The should NOT be allowed to shoot just because someone MAY pose a threat -- they chose a risky job and should be required to accept some level of risk instead of shooting with scant reason. The cop f'ed up and good; hope he fries for it, or at least ends up as someone's good friend in GP.

Yeah and you're the number one guy here who I'd like to see find the stones to be a police officer. You don't have a clue about life on the streets. Their are some serious predators roaming the streets of our cities. I've seen them. I've talked to them. I've driven around with them in the back seat. You've been a day trader.

And yes, I'll agree they should be held to a higher standard. And I wish people would use a little more sense around them. I really wish we had a video of this guy as he approached them. Might be an eye opener.

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I'm not a day trader by vocation, actually, never have been And I've lived in "less than nice" parts of Philadelphia.

The fact that there are predators out there still doesn't excuse gunning down an injured man. Cops must err on the side of caution, not on the side of saving their own skins. That's part of their duty of protecting the public.

I've said it before - it would be nice if there were a large pool of philosopher kings, who just happened to have serious martial artist chops applying to be police officers. It's easy to say that they should put their safety behind the safety of the public. I am far from completely down with all things 'cop' but I can only imagine what it's like to have a good friend, a fellow worker, shot and killed by some near worthless piece of trash because the dead cop was about to get between him and his ill-gotten livelihood. At some point, it would be undeniable human nature to protect oneself, especially when you deal day to day with the near scum of the earth.

None of us have anything other than the barest clue of what that officer saw before he shot. I would never run up to a bunch of cops. Just a dumb move. Best thing to hold one hand up in greeting with the other off to one side.

Like I said, move to Somalia if you want a homeland with no cops. Let me know how you like it.

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It may be human nature to protect oneself. That's why the cop needs to be severely punished -- to encourage fellow officers to act against their nature, even if it means risking their own skins. Police officer is less dangerous than many occupations, BTW.

No one is suggesting having no police, just requiring police to show utmost restraint (at peril of their jobs, freedom, or even lives if they fail to do so and someone is hurt or killed) when faced with an unclear situation. Don't like being held to a high standard? Apply for a different job.

Though I'm pretty sure you don't agree with what happened here -- you said in an earlier post that you'd sooner fire into the ground than shoot at someone in such an unclear situation.

I've read of plenty of cop killings that I was appalled by. The cop who shot the wood carver in Seattle was some serious kind of moron/jerk combo.

Several years back, a family in San Jose called the cops when a young woman was behaving erratically in the house. They came into the house, the woman burst into the room brandishing an Asian style potato peeler, which I gather looks like a large knife. The story didn't say she lunged immediately, not sure but they shot and killed her. I'm thinking two guys with billy clubs ought to have been able to subdue her w/o injury to themselves.

It's a tough one, I don't want to excuse the jerks, but my experience is that I've met plenty of good cops and that their job is not easy. The automatic sliming and loathing that is sent their way in events like this strikes me as not useful.

For some reason, this guy scared the lady at the house, she relayed a panicked description to the cops (apparently) and they were primed for some perhaps nutball trying to gain access to a house at 2:30 am. And when he rushed them, it confirmed their worst case scenario. Sort of a perfect storm of a mistake.

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