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Old 12-16-2013, 05:58 PM
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Looks like the back seat will have to be for children.

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Old 12-16-2013, 06:59 PM
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You have chosen a beautiful car to work from and it is an inspired plan. It is a lot of fun to plan and discuss an idea like this but before you commit to building a car please consider your alternatives. For one, get a girlfriend.

You actually make a good point about the cost of exotic cars. Building one might be most people's best chance at ever owning such a thing.
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Old 12-16-2013, 08:17 PM
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Looks like the back seat will have to be for children.
I do intend for it to be relatively small, but still available.

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You have chosen a beautiful car to work from and it is an inspired plan. It is a lot of fun to plan and discuss an idea like this but before you commit to building a car please consider your alternatives. For one, get a girlfriend.

You actually make a good point about the cost of exotic cars. Building one might be most people's best chance at ever owning such a thing.
I've got a girlfriend.
I don't intend to slave over this for hours every day, because I know that it will take a long time for my to build, regardless of how I go about it (mostly just because I don't have hours to build it). I want to have a drive-able car in the next five years or so.

Recently I had been thinking about trying to start a business creating cars like the one I am working on, and selling them at a reasonable price (instead of half a million dollars for a car). If I do end up doing this though, it will be several years after I have built the car.
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Old 12-17-2013, 01:11 AM
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Aerodynamics-- request for project help

You mention having a hard time deciding where the engine should go but don't want to bother with a custom radiator.....
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:33 PM
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You mention having a hard time deciding where the engine should go but don't want to bother with a custom radiator.....
I've decided to go with a front engine, rear wheel drive setup, so engine placement will no longer be much of a concern.
The reason I didn't want to do a custom radiator, is that it would be costly to replace a custom radiator in the event of an accident, and I aim to make this car easily maintainable and fixable.
I will probably end up using multiple smaller radiators, in order to maximize cooling without doing a custom shaped radiator.
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Old 03-15-2015, 12:05 AM
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And after a little over a year, I've a update! I swear I (mostly) didn't forget about the forums..
Anyway, here are some updates. Lots of things have changed, and I now am thinking of eventually creating a company, that would produce vehicles very similar to this one.

There will be, at a minimum, three versions of the car. I will mainly be focusing on the high performance version of the car, as I find it to be the most interesting, as well as the most complex.

This project has been delayed indefinitely. While I still intend to make it, the production stage will not begin until I have, at the very least, a bachelors degree and a steady flow of income.

That being said, I would still like to toss some ideas around, before resuming development.


I know it is a longshot, but has anyone here ever messed with a Lenco transmission?

I've presented my ideas to a few people engineers, and the general consensus is that I have chosen the right path for my goals with the vehicle.

So now, the plan is a tubular chassis made from chrome moly tubing.
I plan on working with an established company for the independent front and rear suspension. I'm partial to Art Morrison, because they seem to be incredibly knowledgeable, as well as receptive to custom projects.

I am most likely going to be using an large, aluminum, big block Chevrolet motor, because the small blocks have the Siamese exhaust ports, and I believe it is a poor design. I have a power goal of n/a 800-1000BHP, or 1400+ with a forced induction system.
I will likely not go with a forced induction system, because it makes things more complicated, and one of my goals is to keep the system as simple as possible.

I am thinking of using a Lenco transmission for a few reasons. They are very customizable, sturdy, and they look pretty damn cool (shush, looks are important).

I don't think cooling will be much of an issue. I was concerned with space, but instead I have decided that moving the engine rearward by a few inches, and making the radiator as tall as the motor, should provide sufficient cooling.

There will be a concave panel on the bottom of the vehicle, which will cooperate with an electronic wing in the rear, in order to maintain traction at high speeds.

I don't plan on installing power steering, or power brakes, in the first version of the vehicle. If the car is difficult to steer/stop, I will modify it.

There will be no airbags anywhere. Your only safety features will be a roll cage, and a 5 point seatbelt.

Unfortunately, if I am making and selling a vehicle, I am required by law to put some emissions control on there somewhere, unless I sell the vehicle without the engine.

That's all I can think of off the top my head, questions are always welcome!!
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Old 03-16-2015, 09:38 AM
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Still sounding misguided and unrealistic. How's it going with that girlfriend?

What tires and how much power can they get to the ground?

Maybe aim for a job building racecars, get a girlfriend. Get outside more with your feet on the ground.
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Old 03-16-2015, 11:12 AM
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It may be just me, but I would not likely be a customer of a company whose owner doesn't have some credibility as qualified to design, manufacture or provide some after sales service of a car.
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Old 03-16-2015, 11:16 AM
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Nothing wrong with advanced imagination. I have imagined many things that I never built but still I have built some fairly good stuff. You gotta dream if you want to succeed.
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Tom, you should see the number of F1 and CanAm cars I have "designed" over the years. The only curiosity about them . . . they all seem to resemble the Lotus 49 or McLaren M6
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Old 03-16-2015, 12:35 PM
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Ahhh yes. Those are classics! I think my fav is the eagle that Gurney won with in 67 though with the lovely v12! They looked good as indy cars too!
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Old 03-16-2015, 02:08 PM
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Still sounding misguided and unrealistic. How's it going with that girlfriend?

What tires and how much power can they get to the ground?

Maybe aim for a job building racecars, get a girlfriend. Get outside more with your feet on the ground.
Don't bring the guy down! Just remember that people used to laugh at Preston Tucker...
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Old 03-16-2015, 02:23 PM
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You're right, let's withhold judgment until we see how the Kickstarter campaign goes.
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Old 03-16-2015, 03:28 PM
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Don't bring the guy down! Just remember that people used to laugh at Preston Tucker...
Past tense? Tucker is still funny.

Street legal race cars suck. Why don't these idiots just get a race car and take it to the track? Because they are wimps who can't handle competition and just want to beat up on commuters and soccer moms.

Other evening I stopped for a red light and it turned green the other way. A pickup passed me going 60 or so with it floored and ran the red light. Lucky day, the other drivers looked before they pulled out and got t-boned and killed.

I still say aggressive drivers should be put in a crash simulator and have a few airbags popped in their faces, or hung in the public square.
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Old 11-04-2015, 09:18 PM
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Still sounding misguided and unrealistic. How's it going with that girlfriend?

What tires and how much power can they get to the ground?

Maybe aim for a job building racecars, get a girlfriend. Get outside more with your feet on the ground.
Traction will undoubtedly end up being an issue. I am not sure how I intend to address this, however. It just depends on how much width would effect fuel economy.

I am also unsure as to how entertaining ideas of improving on the intentionally flawed designs of modern cars is misguided and unrealistic.


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It may be just me, but I would not likely be a customer of a company whose owner doesn't have some credibility as qualified to design, manufacture or provide some after sales service of a car.
The way I see it, is that the performance would speak for itself. That being said, I am a part of a team of mechanical engineers (at my college) who build race cars every year.

I do understand the sentiment, though. Despite how well a product may be made, people nowadays want to see that little certificate that claims you've been through some sort of higher education.


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Past tense? Tucker is still funny.

Street legal race cars suck. Why don't these idiots just get a race car and take it to the track? Because they are wimps who can't handle competition and just want to beat up on commuters and soccer moms.

Other evening I stopped for a red light and it turned green the other way. A pickup passed me going 60 or so with it floored and ran the red light. Lucky day, the other drivers looked before they pulled out and got t-boned and killed.

I still say aggressive drivers should be put in a crash simulator and have a few airbags popped in their faces, or hung in the public square.
Naturally, a dedicated race car would be superior to a car that isn't a dedicated race car. I'm not making a dedicated race car.

I'm sure that are other reasons that these people have a street race vehicle as opposed to a dedicated race car.
It could be that they converted their car into a street racer because they don't have enough money to maintain a race car on top of their other expenses. They could prefer driving to the track over loading up a trailer every time they wanted to race.


I've found that people who try and pay attention to what's happening around them on the road aren't typically poor drivers.
The motorcyclists who weave through traffic are the most frightening to me. I guarantee you that if they hit my old Dodge, I won't be the one leaving the scene on a stretcher.

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You're right, let's withhold judgment until we see how the Kickstarter campaign goes.
There will be no Kickstarter campaign. I don't like the idea of people paying for a product that hasn't been made or tested.

That, and begging money off of people isn't really my cup of tea.





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I've done several designs for the frame of the car, however I am wary to continue until I'm in a structural design class.
While I'm sure that the frame designs I have will work, I know that they are overly robust, and I'm sure that I will be able to improve on them. Because of safety I also need to work on the "crumple zone", which will require an understanding of structural design in order to produce the best design.

The initial build for the car will just have whatever inexpensive parts I can find nearby. Probably a sb350 coupled with a TH350, because they are quite common.

The first build will likely also shy away from a composite body in favor of a lightweight steel, because I don't have enough experience with composites yet to do a good job.

The initial build will also have a solid rear axle, as I've one on hand.

It looks like I will start building the car after I finish getting my '49 Dodge truck modernized. This will be the plan unless I become unlucky, and lose my current car somehow.





Most of my time has been consumed by a project my father and I are working on. It is just entering it's final stages now, and is finally road legal. It has been quite educational. If you want to see photos, look at this gallery:
Elvira by hetiticth | Photobucket

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