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Old 11-14-2013, 11:42 AM
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I saw the entire show. What stuck me was the fact that they could not reload and fire 3 shots in the time that transpired that day. That fact alone speaks volumes.
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I saw the entire show. What stuck me was the fact that they could not reload and fire 3 shots in the time that transpired that day. That fact alone speaks volumes.
Right, wasn't the rifle in question bolt-action and about 50 years old?
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As most people, I've viewed many of the shows presenting the "evidence". However, the last television show I viewed showed how the the sixth floor depository appeared when investigators first arrived. To me, the scene literally screamed STAGED STAGED STAGED. A staged crime scene, imagine that. Plus, those idiots were handling all sorts of evidence including the rifle with their bare hands, no gloves.

Everything, the rifle, the shell casings, the boxes were all just a little to conveniently placed to "tell a story". If we set this story up properly, the public AND the police will buy it, lock, stock and barrel.

And so they did.
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Old 11-14-2013, 09:10 PM
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As most people, I've viewed many of the shows presenting the "evidence". However, the last television show I viewed showed how the the sixth floor depository appeared when investigators first arrived. To me, the scene literally screamed STAGED STAGED STAGED. A staged crime scene, imagine that. Plus, those idiots were handling all sorts of evidence including the rifle with their bare hands, no gloves.

Everything, the rifle, the shell casings, the boxes were all just a little to conveniently placed to "tell a story". If we set this story up properly, the public AND the police will buy it, lock, stock and barrel.

And so they did.
Ha, I have an idea. Now that they have DNA evidence one would think the Rifle and any thing possibly handled by Oswald could be tested.

If there is none of His DNA on the Rifle it would be interesting to hear the explanation for that!

What I remember from other Films and books is that one of the Officers who picked up the Rifle claimed it had 7.65 stamped (7.65mm) on the Rifle.
Besides the Caliber being different then the Rifle claimed to be used in the assignation; Military Rifles don't have that info stamped on them.

Military Rifles that had been commercially sporterized (a Military Rifle converted into a Sporting Rifle; they can be from the Cheap ones where they simply shorten the Military Barrel and shorten the Military Stock to the more expensive ones that retain the Military Action but change the Barrel and the Stock and install better sights) would have the Cartridge Caliper the rifle was supposed to use stamped on the Barrel in front of the Receiver.
The 7.65mm Cartridge is a Military Cartridge and also a Sporting Cartridge in Europe.
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Old 11-14-2013, 01:12 PM
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Right, wasn't the rifle in question bolt-action and about 50 years old?
True, but the point was the bolt action mechanics of the rifle prohibited 3 shots in that time span. And consider in the show they were not trying to refocus on a target as well. That would add time.
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True, but the point was the bolt action mechanics of the rifle prohibited 3 shots in that time span. And consider in the show they were not trying to refocus on a target as well. That would add time.
I'm agreeing with the conclusions of the show
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I'm agreeing with the conclusions of the show
I think if you saw this presentation, you might think differently.

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True, but the point was the bolt action mechanics of the rifle prohibited 3 shots in that time span. And consider in the show they were not trying to refocus on a target as well. That would add time.
Scope, tri or bipod mount, breathe slowly then take careful aim and pull the trigger slowly. Remember to lead the vehicle slightly due to the fact that it IS MOVING. Then, quickly cycle the bolt action to eject the cartridge and reload. Reacquire the target, breathe slowly, take careful aim, squeeze the trigger slowly. Now, do it all again. All in three seconds.
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Scope, tri or bipod mount, breathe slowly then take careful aim and pull the trigger slowly. Remember to lead the vehicle slightly due to the fact that it IS MOVING. Then, quickly cycle the bolt action to eject the cartridge and reload. Reacquire the target, breathe slowly, take careful aim, squeeze the trigger slowly. Now, do it all again. All in three seconds.
Maybe Oswald was actually a cyborg from the future with superhuman capabilities...
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Old 11-14-2013, 01:21 PM
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Maybe Oswald was actually a cyborg from the future with superhuman capabilities...
Since Ruby conveniently offed him and dead men don't talk, we'll never hear his story, in or out of court. Case closed, as always.
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Old 11-14-2013, 01:23 PM
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Scope, tri or bipod mount, breathe slowly then take careful aim and pull the trigger slowly. Remember to lead the vehicle slightly due to the fact that it IS MOVING. Then, quickly cycle the bolt action to eject the cartridge and reload. Reacquire the target, breathe slowly, take careful aim, squeeze the trigger slowly. Now, do it all again. All in three seconds.
I do not recall any mount being involved.
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I do not recall any mount being involved.
Exactly my point; for this type of precision shooting, a mount is a necessity. I believe the people behind the assassination knew they would never get a second chance. So they carried it out using multiple shooters using a classic military sniper style triangulated cross fire method. Once the car crossed into the kill zone, they let loose.

Craig Smith talks about this in much deeper detail in his book:

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Scope, tri or bipod mount, breathe slowly then take careful aim and pull the trigger slowly. Remember to lead the vehicle slightly due to the fact that it IS MOVING. Then, quickly cycle the bolt action to eject the cartridge and reload. Reacquire the target, breathe slowly, take careful aim, squeeze the trigger slowly. Now, do it all again. All in three seconds.
When the time frame of Oswald's shooting was made public, and I do not remember when this was, a friend of mine who was quite the gun fan wondered if he could repeat this. He owned several old military rifles, so we took one he thought was an equal to the one used and we went to the same firing range Oswald practiced in. He apparently practiced there a great deal as the owners knew him and contacted the FBI when he was first on the TV.

The firing range is long gone, but it was located in Grand Prairie, Texas, on US Hwy 80, on the north side of the highway and south of the railroad tracks, and about one mile west of Loop 12. It is now industrial land.

It took some practice, but he got there. We also found that when a train passed behind the target area you could practice leading the target. There were berms and railroad ties set-up so you could not hit a train, but you could feel it as it was only 100 yards or so away.

So can three shots be fired, with that accuracy, in that time frame? It depends on the skill of the shooter. I can't do it and neither, at first, could my friend. But with a lot of practice he was doing it on a regular basis.
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Old 11-17-2013, 12:41 PM
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When the time frame of Oswald's shooting was made public, and I do not remember when this was, a friend of mine who was quite the gun fan wondered if he could repeat this. He owned several old military rifles, so we took one he thought was an equal to the one used and we went to the same firing range Oswald practiced in. He apparently practiced there a great deal as the owners knew him and contacted the FBI when he was first on the TV.

The firing range is long gone, but it was located in Grand Prairie, Texas, on US Hwy 80, on the north side of the highway and south of the railroad tracks, and about one mile west of Loop 12. It is now industrial land.

It took some practice, but he got there. We also found that when a train passed behind the target area you could practice leading the target. There were berms and railroad ties set-up so you could not hit a train, but you could feel it as it was only 100 yards or so away.

So can three shots be fired, with that accuracy, in that time frame? It depends on the skill of the shooter. I can't do it and neither, at first, could my friend. But with a lot of practice he was doing it on a regular basis.
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Old 11-15-2013, 08:49 PM
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I saw the entire show. What stuck me was the fact that they could not reload and fire 3 shots in the time that transpired that day. That fact alone speaks volumes.
I have seen it demonstrated by other people within the allotted time.

Take my Mauser 98K .30/06 as an example. Sometimes I can reload smoothly and quickly and sometimes I can't. It depends on how straight I push the bolt forward.

The 6.5 Carcano is not that uncommon. And not a very good piece, but it's cheap.

I gotta go with William of Oakham's opinion when dealing with this kind of evidence.
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