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Old 11-14-2013, 11:11 AM
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JFK ballistics

There was a show on last night on pbs about the ballistics of the kennedy shooting. The rifle used was a little known 6.5 mm which had a very heavy bullet for the size of the bore. They tested it different ways but the thing that really impressed me was they shot it into a stack of 3/4" pine boards bookended on a table and it penetrated about 36" of pine with very little veering off and the bullet was nearly in perfect condition when they dug it out of the board it came to rest in.

I think that shows the viability of the one bullet theory.

I did not watch the whole show. (There was a new pickers on too)
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Old 11-14-2013, 11:16 AM
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Yeah I saw it too. Then they went into more detail showing how that bullet type when fired through material similar to human bodies likes to start to tumble, just like it did when it passed through Connolly. And, it squeezed lead out as it was compressed laterally , which they found in Connolly. Pretty good show.
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Old 11-14-2013, 11:32 AM
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I saw that part too. Interesting.

Although I think Oswald may have acted alone or may have been framed or hired I have never thought much of the evidence for a second shooter.
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Old 11-14-2013, 12:16 PM
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I saw that part too. Interesting.

Although I think Oswald may have acted alone or may have been framed or hired I have never thought much of the evidence for a second shooter.
Did you catch John Kerry's interview last week when he said he does not think Oswald was a lone wolf? He believes others were involved in the event, not necessarily in the shooting.

JFK Assassination Conspiracy Theories: John Kerry Has 'Doubts' Lee Harvey Oswald Acted Alone In Killing John F. Kennedy

I remember finding out about the shooting between classes on campus in the early afternoon. My French class instructor was really shaken up. He dismissed the class and the whole University closed in mid afternoon (EST).
The student center was mobbed with students as was the campus Chapel.
That was the Friday before Thanksgiving.
I went home to NYC & watched Ruby kill Oswald on TV on Sunday, which happened to be my Birthday. Most of the country was glued to the TV for the week. My school didn't resume classes until the Monday after Thanksgiving.

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The NFL played on however ....
All regular programming was canceled. High school football games, college football games, all canceled out of deference to the tragedy. The AFL suspended its schedule that weekend as well.

But not the NFL. New commissioner Pete Rozelle nervously debated within his inner circle as to whether the schedule of games for Sunday, November 24th should be allowed to go on despite the death of the president. Rozelle even contacted the White House and spoke with press secretary Pierre Salinger to seek advice.

Salinger opined that President Kennedy, an ardent football fan, would have wanted the games to go on. How he knew this was anybody’s guess as JFK’s thought processes came to a sudden and violent end when the third bullet exploded his head during that fateful motorcade.

But even the President’s own brother, attorney general Robert F. Kennedy, was said to have agreed with Salinger and told Rozelle that the Kennedy Family would not be offended if the football games were played on Sunday while the President’s body lay in state inside the Capitol Rotunda.
November 1963: When the world stopped, the NFL did not - Chicago Chicago Bears | Examiner.com
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Old 11-14-2013, 11:42 AM
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I saw the entire show. What stuck me was the fact that they could not reload and fire 3 shots in the time that transpired that day. That fact alone speaks volumes.
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I saw the entire show. What stuck me was the fact that they could not reload and fire 3 shots in the time that transpired that day. That fact alone speaks volumes.
Right, wasn't the rifle in question bolt-action and about 50 years old?
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As most people, I've viewed many of the shows presenting the "evidence". However, the last television show I viewed showed how the the sixth floor depository appeared when investigators first arrived. To me, the scene literally screamed STAGED STAGED STAGED. A staged crime scene, imagine that. Plus, those idiots were handling all sorts of evidence including the rifle with their bare hands, no gloves.

Everything, the rifle, the shell casings, the boxes were all just a little to conveniently placed to "tell a story". If we set this story up properly, the public AND the police will buy it, lock, stock and barrel.

And so they did.
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As most people, I've viewed many of the shows presenting the "evidence". However, the last television show I viewed showed how the the sixth floor depository appeared when investigators first arrived. To me, the scene literally screamed STAGED STAGED STAGED. A staged crime scene, imagine that. Plus, those idiots were handling all sorts of evidence including the rifle with their bare hands, no gloves.

Everything, the rifle, the shell casings, the boxes were all just a little to conveniently placed to "tell a story". If we set this story up properly, the public AND the police will buy it, lock, stock and barrel.

And so they did.
Ha, I have an idea. Now that they have DNA evidence one would think the Rifle and any thing possibly handled by Oswald could be tested.

If there is none of His DNA on the Rifle it would be interesting to hear the explanation for that!

What I remember from other Films and books is that one of the Officers who picked up the Rifle claimed it had 7.65 stamped (7.65mm) on the Rifle.
Besides the Caliber being different then the Rifle claimed to be used in the assignation; Military Rifles don't have that info stamped on them.

Military Rifles that had been commercially sporterized (a Military Rifle converted into a Sporting Rifle; they can be from the Cheap ones where they simply shorten the Military Barrel and shorten the Military Stock to the more expensive ones that retain the Military Action but change the Barrel and the Stock and install better sights) would have the Cartridge Caliper the rifle was supposed to use stamped on the Barrel in front of the Receiver.
The 7.65mm Cartridge is a Military Cartridge and also a Sporting Cartridge in Europe.
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Right, wasn't the rifle in question bolt-action and about 50 years old?
True, but the point was the bolt action mechanics of the rifle prohibited 3 shots in that time span. And consider in the show they were not trying to refocus on a target as well. That would add time.
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True, but the point was the bolt action mechanics of the rifle prohibited 3 shots in that time span. And consider in the show they were not trying to refocus on a target as well. That would add time.
I'm agreeing with the conclusions of the show
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I'm agreeing with the conclusions of the show
I think if you saw this presentation, you might think differently.

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True, but the point was the bolt action mechanics of the rifle prohibited 3 shots in that time span. And consider in the show they were not trying to refocus on a target as well. That would add time.
Scope, tri or bipod mount, breathe slowly then take careful aim and pull the trigger slowly. Remember to lead the vehicle slightly due to the fact that it IS MOVING. Then, quickly cycle the bolt action to eject the cartridge and reload. Reacquire the target, breathe slowly, take careful aim, squeeze the trigger slowly. Now, do it all again. All in three seconds.
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Scope, tri or bipod mount, breathe slowly then take careful aim and pull the trigger slowly. Remember to lead the vehicle slightly due to the fact that it IS MOVING. Then, quickly cycle the bolt action to eject the cartridge and reload. Reacquire the target, breathe slowly, take careful aim, squeeze the trigger slowly. Now, do it all again. All in three seconds.
Maybe Oswald was actually a cyborg from the future with superhuman capabilities...
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Scope, tri or bipod mount, breathe slowly then take careful aim and pull the trigger slowly. Remember to lead the vehicle slightly due to the fact that it IS MOVING. Then, quickly cycle the bolt action to eject the cartridge and reload. Reacquire the target, breathe slowly, take careful aim, squeeze the trigger slowly. Now, do it all again. All in three seconds.
I do not recall any mount being involved.
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Scope, tri or bipod mount, breathe slowly then take careful aim and pull the trigger slowly. Remember to lead the vehicle slightly due to the fact that it IS MOVING. Then, quickly cycle the bolt action to eject the cartridge and reload. Reacquire the target, breathe slowly, take careful aim, squeeze the trigger slowly. Now, do it all again. All in three seconds.
When the time frame of Oswald's shooting was made public, and I do not remember when this was, a friend of mine who was quite the gun fan wondered if he could repeat this. He owned several old military rifles, so we took one he thought was an equal to the one used and we went to the same firing range Oswald practiced in. He apparently practiced there a great deal as the owners knew him and contacted the FBI when he was first on the TV.

The firing range is long gone, but it was located in Grand Prairie, Texas, on US Hwy 80, on the north side of the highway and south of the railroad tracks, and about one mile west of Loop 12. It is now industrial land.

It took some practice, but he got there. We also found that when a train passed behind the target area you could practice leading the target. There were berms and railroad ties set-up so you could not hit a train, but you could feel it as it was only 100 yards or so away.

So can three shots be fired, with that accuracy, in that time frame? It depends on the skill of the shooter. I can't do it and neither, at first, could my friend. But with a lot of practice he was doing it on a regular basis.
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