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Old 11-20-2013, 06:41 PM
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The guy is a mean, vicious mope.
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Old 11-20-2013, 08:37 PM
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I don't believe he is an idiot but I also don't believe he is all dialed in. There is a lesson to be learned here. The lesson is if someone sees someone they "feel" is acting suspicious, dial the police, report the location and then LEAVE THE AREA IMMEDIATELY.

I also believe had Z not been armed, he most certainly would have died or suffered permanent disability from internal cerebral hemorrhaging caused by Martin's repeated bashing his skull into the sidewalk while yelling, "YOU ARE GOING TO DIE TONIGHT".
I believe that if Z had not been armed he would acted differently.
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Old 11-20-2013, 08:38 PM
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If he wasn't armed he would not have gotten out of the car and we would have never heard of this idiot.
This is very likely the truth.
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Old 11-20-2013, 08:52 PM
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Not exactly. I have a few friends who are master martial artists, one of whom is WORLD famous. None of them would have any concerns walking UNARMED in any neighborhood day or night.
You are making an assumption that some Persons Martial Arts skills are so good that they could not be Shot.
T was clearly better at the Physical Fighting that Z was but Z is still alive because He shot T.

You need to ask them about that. No matter how well trained you are you can end up a Victim.

Your Brain needs to take the lead on this type of situation. If you know there is a bad area your Brain will tell you to avoid it. If you cannot avoid going through the bad area your Brain should be telling you to be watchful and alert.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:49 PM
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You are making an assumption that some Persons Martial Arts skills are so good that they could not be Shot.
T was clearly better at the Physical Fighting that Z was but Z is still alive because He shot T.

You need to ask them about that. No matter how well trained you are you can end up a Victim.

Your Brain needs to take the lead on this type of situation. If you know there is a bad area your Brain will tell you to avoid it. If you cannot avoid going through the bad area your Brain should be telling you to be watchful and alert.
No assumptions were asserted. Obviously, a bullet can travel very fast. No one is invincible except Superman and he is a fiction.

There are many areas of major cities that are to be avoided. Most of the time, one's race and sex plays into which areas should be avoided.
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Old 11-21-2013, 01:06 AM
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There are many areas of major cities that are to be avoided. Most of the time, one's race and sex plays into which areas should be avoided.
If Trayvon would have listened to Husky's wise words he would be still alive.
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Old 11-21-2013, 02:18 AM
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I think you have something there. Were it me, I'd make sure I didn't even jaywalk or litter. O.J. is another shining example of similar stupidity- and it cost him dearly.
Z is not smart enough to realize that he will never have any peace in the US. Nothing short of moving to South America, very carefully, and adopting a new identity and staying well under the radar will yield him anything resembling a normal life. He's a good example of how it's possible to really screw up in life.
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Old 11-21-2013, 08:50 AM
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Z is not smart enough to realize that he will never have any peace in the US. Nothing short of moving to South America, very carefully, and adopting a new identity and staying well under the radar will yield him anything resembling a normal life. He's a good example of how it's possible to really screw up in life.
The taking of another man's life usually results in Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome. The very first psychiatric hospitals in the United States came about as a result of the War Between the States (AKA "The Civil War"). Violent acts usually result in mental disorders.
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If Trayvon would have listened to Husky's wise words he would be still alive.
Smoking hootch gives you the munchies and may make you paranoid. Gotta go get some skittles and iced tea to squelch it.

I get out and walk every day. Sometimes I see people walking in front of me, sometimes I see people walking behind me. They are merely exercising their right to get out and get some fresh air. I don't feel the need to double back and ambush the people walking behind me.

The confrontation occurred when TM doubled back and ambushed Z. Granted, had Z not followed TM, a confrontation would have been an impossibility. Still, Z had the right to walk the neighborhood. He didn't instigate a confrontation with TM and he didn't yell at him, he was talking to 911 during that time. TM, OTH, had a cell phone and could have easily dialed 911 if he felt he was in danger, right? Instead he chose to pick a fight.

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[SIZE=2]...I get out and walk every day. Sometimes I see people walking in front of me, sometimes I see people walking behind me. They are merely exercising their right to get out and get some fresh air. I don't feel the need to double back and ambush the people walking behind me...
Are you a 17-year-old black boy? If not, then your experience doesn't tell us much.
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I don't agree with that at all. TM was not justified in attacking Zimmerman, if that's what TM did, but Zimmerman absolutely instigated the confrontation by stalking the kid in the dark. Zimmerman is a fool.
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Old 11-21-2013, 09:51 AM
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Are you a 17-year-old black boy? If not, then your experience doesn't tell us much.I don't agree with that at all. TM was not justified in attacking Zimmerman, if that's what TM did, but Zimmerman absolutely instigated the confrontation by stalking the kid in the dark. Zimmerman is a fool.
So......if you are out merely taking a stroll through your neighborhood and just happen to walk a distance behind another walker, you could be considered a stalker? Does this mean strolling and walking as exercise are now considered criminal acts?
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Old 11-21-2013, 09:56 AM
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So......if you are out merely taking a stroll through your neighborhood and just happen to walk a distance behind another walker, you could be considered a stalker? Does this mean strolling and walking as exercise are now considered criminal acts?
So...it's just a coincidence that the person TM thought was stalking him actually was? There's no chance that Zimmerman's conduct appeared threatening to TM?

And you keep going back to this business about "criminal acts." How many times have I already said that I am not aware of Zimmerman committing any crimes? That's a low bar, though. Civilized people set standards for themselves higher than just avoiding the commission of crimes.
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Old 11-21-2013, 10:01 AM
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So......if you are out merely taking a stroll through your neighborhood and just happen to walk a distance behind another walker, you could be considered a stalker? Does this mean strolling and walking as exercise are now considered criminal acts?
Answer the question, please
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Old 11-21-2013, 10:06 AM
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Answer the question, please
I thought I already did. The answer is hell no.

EDIT: I think your post probably came before I edited my previous post. At any rate, now I have answered the question.

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Old 11-21-2013, 10:34 AM
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So...it's just a coincidence that the person TM thought was stalking him actually was? There's no chance that Zimmerman's conduct appeared threatening to TM?
Z was the appointed neighborhood watch captain. It appears the homeowner's association had some confidence in appointing him otherwise he would not have held this position. There had been a rash of home robberies in his neighborhood committed by persons of race. In regards to TM, he was attempting to prevent crime, not commit a crime.

Individuals with criminal intent normally do not dial 911 and give the police a detailed blow-by-blow expose of an incident in progress. Z gave the police a literal road map to his exact location; a call for assistance to check out a suspicious character. In light of the previous home robberies, calling the police was the prudent thing to do. Z's mistake was not staying in his vehicle.

However, once he made the decision to call police, his job was to stand aside and let them do their job and investigate. They specifically told him not to follow TM. That said, TM had no right to double back and ambush him. They were both wrong which resulted in tragedy.

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