Veterans need to share the moral burden of war - Page 4 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Mike Murrell · #46 11-24-2013, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I've heard Sergeants really have a lousy burden as they send men into battle, and some of them, of course, do not come back.

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First I'll say, tip of the hat to your dad for his service to our country.

My recollection of it is that sergeants go into battle with their men. That's what I saw.

The people who actually send them are gutless bureaucrats in D. C.

They do that via military officers. They too go into battle.

cmbdiesel · #47 11-24-2013, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by panZZer

Thats as clear an example od the divide that runs right down the middle of this forum, the ignorant sheep mobs, and the uh--somewhat enlightened.

which side are you on?

Idle · #48 11-24-2013, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Murrell

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First I'll say, tip of the hat to your dad for his service to our country.

My recollection of it is that sergeants go into battle with their men. That's what I saw.

The people who actually send them are gutless bureaucrats in D. C.

They do that via military officers. They too go into battle.

I have known more than a few military people. I cannot think of an instance where a Sergeant was not right there in the middle of it when thing got real.

And I have to agree with the statement about Bureaucrats.

Idle · #49 11-24-2013, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911

From the Wikepedia
Kyle served four tours in the second Iraq conflict and was awarded the 4th highest commendation awarded for acts of heroism, acts of merit, and/or meritorious service in a combat zone. He holds two Silver Stars, five bronze stars with valor, two Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medals, and one Marine Corps Commendation.

So bury him in Arlington. If you have not lived in Texas for much of your life you will not be able to understand how I and many other Texans feel about this.

Kyle did great things for our nation. What did he do for Texas?

Botnst · #50 11-24-2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

which side are you on?

Nicely done!

Botnst · #51 11-24-2013, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by panZZer

Since you appear to be a scientist with an absolutely Shut mind---trying to ignore , and reverse~twist the thread subject, i wont play your game.
But the OP posting it and continuing to double talk about such matters wether its special forces , and this guy -Not talking about what they did, and then him and his " Club"deciding he is good for an exception because of punching jessie ventura to plug the books he wrote, etc......... thats BUNK. I dont know if ventura was still Gov at the time but had he done this with the idiot in the mansion here in tEXAS , ..... once again instead of making speeches about the sniper being a "hero" and planting him in the state cemetary -purely for pandering to the rabid right wing base here,, he would have had the guy put in the pen wether he still held office ,or not.--and he'd still alive today.

Think you can edit the above into coherency?

panZZer · #52 11-24-2013, 06:50 PM

A perfect example of a totally shut mind.

When you try not to understand,its the easiest feat in the world -youll never fail to do so!

Botnst · #53 11-24-2013, 09:35 PM

I hope for a cogent thought process. A clear line of logic, succinctly expressed. Give me hope.

I'm sick and tired of hearing things
From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocrites
Just give me some truth
All I want is some truth.

Ah, I'm sick to death of hearing things
from uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocrites
All I want is the truth now
Just gimme some truth now

cmac2012 · #54 11-24-2013, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Murrell

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First I'll say, tip of the hat to your dad for his service to our country.

My recollection of it is that sergeants go into battle with their men. That's what I saw.

The people who actually send them are gutless bureaucrats in D. C.

They do that via military officers. They too go into battle.

Well yes, sergeants are with their men of course, what I meant was that my understanding is that the sergeant will often have to delegate assignments, tell men to go here or there. I mean I barely understand it, I was never in the military.

I've heard that Pacific theater vets are sometimes called 'the silent generation.' I'm sure it's all hellacious, that vets of all theaters tend to not talk much about what they saw. Certain aspects of fighting the Japanese must have been pretty tough - the part about women and children jumping to their deaths instead of surrendering to the Americans must have been tough to deal with, not sure how many men encountered that.

MTI · #55 11-24-2013, 10:20 PM

The Best Years of Our Lives (1946) - IMDb

dynalow · #56 11-25-2013, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MTI

The Best Years of Our Lives (1946) - IMDb

Excellent movie.
He made the movie imo.

"Say, uh, do you mind if I ask you a personal question? "

" I know what it is. How did I get these hooks and how do they work? That's what everybody says when they start off, "Do you mind if I ask you a personal question?" Well, I'll tell ya. I got sick and tired of that old pair of hands I had. You know, an awful lot of trouble washing them and manicuring my nails. So I traded them in for a pair of these latest models. They work by radar. Look. "

Harold John Russell was born in Nova Scotia in 1914. His family moved to Cambridge Massachusetts when his father died in 1919. He was training paratroopers at Camp MacKall NC on June 6, 1944 when some TNT he was using exploded in his hands. He lost both hands. After receiving hooks, and training on them, he was chosen to make an Army training film called "Diary Of A Sergeant". William Wyler saw the film and decided to cast him in The Best Years of Our Lives (1946). Harold Russell played Homer Parish. For this role he received 2 Oscars, a Best Supporting and one for being an inspiration to all returning veterans. He is the only actor to receive 2 Oscars for the same role. After the movie he attended Boston University. He later went on to help establish AMVETS as a viable alternative to the American Legion for veterans, though his dream of an international veterans organization was never realized. He later appeared in Inside Moves (1980) and Dogtown (1997). He lived with his wife on Cape Cod in Massachusetts. He wrote 2 biographies: "Victory In My Hands" (1947) & "The Best Years Of My Life" (1981).

Diesel911 · #57 11-27-2013, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

He corresponded with some of his buddies in the 60s, this I found out in the 90s when I asked him if he ever participated in any sort of reunion. He said that around '67 when we were still living in New Mexico, one of them contacted him about a get together but he was so busy in the process of moving us to WA state he didn't have time for it. I asked if he'd like to try to get in touch with some them - he said he'd love to. He didn't know how to reach any of them and I had no luck getting any info from the army or on the web.

Apparently there was a big fire at one of the repositories of official army records or at least that's what I was told. And that many of the records had been destroyed and what I wanted was not available.

He died a few years later, in Jan. 2000.

I was just curious know some Guys that had joined the VFW and I think it helped them a bit to speak with others who could understand them.

Best Wishes