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Old 12-31-2013, 11:12 PM
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It's supposed to be free country, meaning that Keith is free to leave his customers unprotected in the event of a nut case shooter and people are free to not darken the doors of his establishment. That's the way it works.

I hope that no one, including Keith, is so naive that they think that the sign on the front door will actually prevent a nut case shooter from bringing his shootin' iron with him.
It's like designating the restaurant; a shooting gallery. There's a reason why all the mass murderers have chosen firearm free fire zones to do their thing.

This is like advertising the business as; a shoot 'em up zone, just as Starbucks has done. A very dangerous place to be, IMO.
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This is like advertising the business as; a shoot 'em up zone, just as Starbucks has done. A very dangerous place to be, IMO.
I tried to find out how many shooting incidents have occurred at Starbucks. The ones that I could find, two, involved customers who had pistols in their handbags that accidentally discharged. One customer was shot in the leg, the other incident was a near miss.
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It's like designating the restaurant; a shooting gallery. There's a reason why all the mass murderers have chosen firearm free fire zones to do their thing.

This is like advertising the business as; a shoot 'em up zone, just as Starbucks has done. A very dangerous place to be, IMO.
This would not be a problem with the one outside of Tulsa. It is located in a Casino which is guarded by the Cherokee Lighthorse Police.

This is also a good spot for this type of business as about 90% of their customers are from out of town. The Casino is a resort and this place is just a part of it.
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The location in Thackerville is operated by the Chickasaws. They, too, have a police force that could easily deal with any problems.

The location in Bricktown is in a popular bar and entertainment area that is always crawling with Cops and many of them work during their off hours as undercover security at the different places.

These Casinos are massive places and yet you never hear of any problems taking place inside of them. Security is everywhere. You just can't see it.

But they are watching you.
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Old 01-02-2014, 12:20 AM
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This would not be a problem with the one outside of Tulsa. It is located in a Casino which is guarded by the Cherokee Lighthorse Police.

This is also a good spot for this type of business as about 90% of their customers are from out of town. The Casino is a resort and this place is just a part of it.
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The location in Thackerville is operated by the Chickasaws. They, too, have a police force that could easily deal with any problems.

The location in Bricktown is in a popular bar and entertainment area that is always crawling with Cops and many of them work during their off hours as undercover security at the different places.

These Casinos are massive places and yet you never hear of any problems taking place inside of them. Security is everywhere. You just can't see it.

But they are watching you.
I'm not sure what your point was, but:

Just because "they are watching you," doesn't bar anyone from their properties when carrying. There's no way any reservation security force knows whether any guest is or isn't carrying a one or more firearms....

The fact that casinos have some armed security is a testament to the reason that suicidal/mass murders have not to my knowledge done their deeds on casino properties.

Of course, this could change tomorrow, but the fact of the matter is that every suicidal/mass murder in recent history chooses a gun-free zone to do their killing. That, is not a coincidence - it is a fact.

The message is that making any area whether public or private enterprise; a gun-free zone, is increasing the odds of an incident as has been happening with alarming frequency IN, gun-free zones in America...
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I'm not sure what your point was, but:

Just because "they are watching you," doesn't bar anyone from their properties when carrying. There's no way any reservation security force knows whether any guest is or isn't carrying a one or more firearms....

The fact that casinos have some armed security is a testament to the reason that suicidal/mass murders have not to my knowledge done their deeds on casino properties.

Of course, this could change tomorrow, but the fact of the matter is that every suicidal/mass murder in recent history chooses a gun-free zone to do their killing. That, is not a coincidence - it is a fact.

The message is that making any area whether public or private enterprise; a gun-free zone, is increasing the odds of an incident as has been happening with alarming frequency IN, gun-free zones in America...
The point is none of the Casinos are gun free zones. You might not have one, but the 'reservation security' as you referrer to them, are armed to the teeth.

And the term reservation security is not quite apt. Before Oklahoma was a state it was Indian Territory and the tribes, by treaty, enforced the laws. They were quite ruthless in their approach to troublemakers and developed a reputation as someone not to be messed with. These treaties are still in force, and in their respective Nations these guys are the law. Note that there are no reservations in Oklahoma and there never were. Large parts of the state are designed tribal nations and you are even advised of such when as you travel the state.

When you visit the Winstar Casino in Thackerville there is a 'security' force there. Check out the video, and then ask yourself if the Casino can be considered a 'gun free zone'.

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The fact that casinos have some armed security is a testament to the reason that suicidal/mass murders have not to my knowledge done their deeds on casino properties.
Is that the reason? How many prospective suicidal mass murderers have you interviewed on this question?
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I'm not sure what your point was, but:

Just because "they are watching you," doesn't bar anyone from their properties when carrying. There's no way any reservation security force knows whether any guest is or isn't carrying a one or more firearms....

The fact that casinos have some armed security is a testament to the reason that suicidal/mass murders have not to my knowledge done their deeds on casino properties.

Of course, this could change tomorrow, but the fact of the matter is that every suicidal/mass murder in recent history chooses a gun-free zone to do their killing. That, is not a coincidence - it is a fact.

The message is that making any area whether public or private enterprise; a gun-free zone, is increasing the odds of an incident as has been happening with alarming frequency IN, gun-free zones in America...
Do you have any hard evidence to back up your claim?
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Do you have any hard evidence to back up your claim?
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Old 01-01-2014, 11:01 PM
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It's like designating the restaurant; a shooting gallery. There's a reason why all the mass murderers have chosen firearm free fire zones to do their thing.

This is like advertising the business as; a shoot 'em up zone, just as Starbucks has done. A very dangerous place to be, IMO.
More unsubstantiated bull5hit.
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