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aklim 04-27-2014 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 3321460)
Maddow's insight is spot on once again. For me personally the main issue is Bundy's misuse of public land. Why he feels that way IS important.

He has a lot of support among people I associate with, and it's out of ignorance, as Maddow hopes. I've actually been able to have a few friends take a second look at the issue and conclude he's wrong.
How so? To his therapist who could fleece him for money, sure. Beyond that, just because there is history for an item doesn't mean it exists today. There is probably history that some of my family members had a 40 yo man marrying a 8 yo girl. That was then. Rules change.

aklim 04-27-2014 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 3321462)
A lot of folks on the political right have become convinced that the government is completely bad and incompetent at anything they might try. They have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the likes of Limblow.
I wouldn't say completely bad since few things are completely but their recent history doesn't give a lot of confidence.

t walgamuth 04-27-2014 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 3321470)
I wouldn't say completely bad since few things are completely but their recent history doesn't give a lot of confidence.
You too?;)

aklim 04-27-2014 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 3321475)
You too?;)
And I didn't nor will I watch Rush Limbaugh or anything calling itself a show with definite left or right slants that go on constantly.

cmac2012 04-27-2014 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 3321462)
A lot of folks on the political right have become convinced that the government is completely bad and incompetent at anything they might try. They have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the likes of Limblow.
Speaking of Limbombastic, Colbert recently aired a bit in which Limbaugh speculated that the shoe throwing incident with Hillary Clinton was staged. Perhaps to drum up sympathy for her and deflect from Benghazi, God only knows how his mind works:

Stephen Colbert's Bats**t Serious - Hillary Clinton Shoe-spiracy Theory - The Colbert Report - Video Clip | Comedy Central

MS Fowler 04-27-2014 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 3321529)
Speaking of Limbombastic, Colbert recently aired a bit in which Limbaugh speculated that the shoe throwing incident with Hillary Clinton was staged. Perhaps to drum up sympathy for her and deflect from Benghazi, God only knows how his mind works:

Stephen Colbert's Bats**t Serious - Hillary Clinton Shoe-spiracy Theory - The Colbert Report - Video Clip | Comedy Central
If you had listened to the original transcript, you would know that it was a listener that first speculated that the shoe-throwing was a staged event. Of course, Rush then went on to note that with the Clintons, you never know. Remember the staged cross at Normandy --a beach with no stones, but there were just enough around for him to spontaneously make a cross. Or the dance on the beach--which was ignored until the press spokesman went overboard saying it was a private moment and no pictures were to be taken.

Nothing concerning the Clintons is spontaneous; everything is played for max political theater. Not even Obama can come close to their level on this matter.

t walgamuth 04-27-2014 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 3321529)
Speaking of Limbombastic, Colbert recently aired a bit in which Limbaugh speculated that the shoe throwing incident with Hillary Clinton was staged. Perhaps to drum up sympathy for her and deflect from Benghazi, God only knows how his mind works:

Stephen Colbert's Bats**t Serious - Hillary Clinton Shoe-spiracy Theory - The Colbert Report - Video Clip | Comedy Central
All subjects lead back to Bengazzi when the right is talking about Hillary.;)

MS Fowler 04-27-2014 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 3321535)
All subjects lead back to Bengazzi when the right is talking about Hillary.;)
She never has had to explain her actions. Her rather flippant remark angers many. ( What does it matter, anyway?")

Botnst 04-27-2014 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Idle (Post 3320881)
As a matter of fact.... They are. That is why they join groups that are set-up along their ways of thinking, have weapons practice together, etc.

When you have been dealing with these people for fifty or more years please feel free to discuss how much they are alike. I have known a great many of these people and there is not a dimes worth of difference between any of them.
"They're all alike" is pre-judging individuals based on some group affiliation.

There's a word for that. Mr. Bundy is an example of a holder of that view. And so are you.

Botnst 04-27-2014 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Idle (Post 3320882)
Do you know any of them that don't think this way? The highest calling is to be a martyr for the 'cause'. Why do you think they seem to find a way to confront the police so often?

Your problem with this is that you don't understand the people you are trying to talk about. You consider them to be normal when they are in fact delusional. When you look at it from their point of view the last thing they want to be is different from each other. They are a solid group, not individuals, and in their world there is no room for individual thought.
I am so glad we definitively know "these people". It prevents us from having to waste time considering their circumstances, perspectives and interactions.

P.C. 04-27-2014 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 3321533)
If you had listened to the original transcript, you would know that it was a listener that first speculated that the shoe-throwing was a staged event. Of course, Rush then went on to note that with the Clintons, you never know. Remember the staged cross at Normandy --a beach with no stones, but there were just enough around for him to spontaneously make a cross. Or the dance on the beach--which was ignored until the press spokesman went overboard saying it was a private moment and no pictures were to be taken.

Nothing concerning the Clintons is spontaneous; everything is played for max political theater. Not even Obama can come close to their level on this matter.
Seething more than usual, aren't we?:rolleyes:

Botnst 04-27-2014 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by kerry (Post 3321246)
I agree we shouldn't tolerate abuse. Did I ever write that we should? What I linked was an explanation of Bundy's political philosophy which explains why he refuses to pay the federal government for grazing fees and why he refuses to accept the authority of anyone above the level of a county sheriff. That political philosophy is intimately related to the history and political philosophy of racism in this country. He's not just a guy late on his rent.
On the other hand, we could take what he says of himself and his situation as being what he believes.

Botnst 04-27-2014 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 3321380)
BLM is not obligated to make it a fair fight. Bundy had threatened violence in the past.

Overwhelming force makes it less likely that a fool like Bundy would start plugging away. If he does, one might conclude he would have shot and killed, say, a pair of officers, so with a crowd of LEOs, the pea-brain can be swiftly neutralized, excuse me while I brush away a tear.
Same rationale applied at Waco.

kerry 04-27-2014 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 3321552)
On the other hand, we could take what he says of himself and his situation as being what he believes.
Yep, and he confirmed that connection with racism in his own words.

Botnst 04-27-2014 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 3321383)
I... Hard core racists do tend to think a lot alike.....
Gilding MS Fowler's lily.


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