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Probably would call Washington a traitor but not a scoundrel.
Are the terms mutually exclusive?

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Steal a little and they put you in jail; steal a lot and they make you king, er president.
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Are the terms mutually exclusive?
They are neither exclusive nor synonymous. But you knew that, so what's your point?
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I also do not understand patriotism. I support people, not things. I live somewhere. Where I live is not who I am. I have traveled quite extensively. If I had the money and ability, I would move some where else if I were so inclined. Might stay there for a bit and then move somewhere else.

Personally I think the more we shed the idea of patriotism based on random lines on a map and start looking at our selves as one people whop live on the 3rd rock from the sun the better off we as a species will be.
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I see what you did there.
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A man once said - ' What we believe is irrelevant to the truth, and on a personal level all truth is relative'.

I have found most americans to be least likely to accept truth counter to their belief paradigm.
Since Americans are from everywhere in the World you would think that they would be the least Patriotic.

A lot of the Immigrants Children that were born here or their Children’s grand Kids enlist in the Military partly because the appreciate something that they received from this Country even if that something was only a Chance at a better life then the Country their relatives left.

I have lived out of the USA before and I can't get past the idea whole of the USA being My Home.
So maybe instead of thinking of Patriotism as being come complicated ideological thing think of it as where someone feels that they are at Home and just maybe Home is worth defending and other Personal investments.
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"E cessive partiality for one foreign nation, and e cessive dislike for another, cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots, who may resist the intrigues of the favourite, are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes upsurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests" ~George Washington



Hmmm, I wonder who ole George was referring to ?
Actually the definiton is less specific.

pa·tri·ot [páytree ət, páytree ňt]
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supporter of own country: a proud supporter or defender of his or her country and its way of life

You do not have to be a Patriot to live in the USA. I think it is easy to find a group of People in the USA to associate with that are not only not Patriots but are even Anti USA.
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Actually the definiton is less specific.

pa·tri·ot [páytree ət, páytree ňt]
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supporter of own country: a proud supporter or defender of his or her country and its way of life

You do not have to be a Patriot to live in the USA. I think it is easy to find a group of People in the USA to associate with that are not only not Patriots but are even Anti USA.
Is that a good thing? A thing to be desired, and copied by a majority of the population?
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Is that a good thing? A thing to be desired, and copied by a majority of the population?
"You do not have to be a Patriot to live in the USA. I think it is easy to find a group of People in the USA to associate with that are not only not Patriots but are even Anti USA."

If you were speaking of the above comment I personally don't like them but as long as they don't do anything destructive they have their rights.

2 things come to mind and one is the McCarthy era where People that had a right to be Communist were persecuted and the other is Countries where you need to act like a Patriot or the Secret or not so Secret Police take you away.

As an example I bet North Korean People are nearly 100% Patriotic and many in fear not to be. Appearances are important.

So I guess it is good live someplace where Patriotism is a choice.
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A true patriot is a supporter of his fellow citizens, not an ideology. People are what make the country.
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A true patriot is a supporter of his fellow citizens, not an ideology. People are what make the country.
Most Americans hate Americans, so why so many patriots?
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Most Americans hate Americans, so why so many patriots?
Maybe they're not true patriots. Was Judas Iscariot a patriot? He, too, sold out his fellow citizen to the government!
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Most Americans hate Americans, so why so many patriots?
Start a new Thread with a Poll and ask the question and find out.
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Start a new Thread with a Pole and ask the question and find out.
Not really necessary is it, all you have to do is follow OD?
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is cosmopolitism an expansion of patriotism or is it somehow different?

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