Good Lord. IOW, you are incapable of thinking about the issue. Larry done saluted and did whatever official WA DC and the Pentagon told him to do. The perfect recruit: 'Won't say no to nuttin' by golly.'

Me, a hero? No, not even close. I will say though, that I don't wake up at night seeing the bodies of unarmed civilians that I've just massacred as Calley supposedly does. Got to be careful in this life. I don't think St. Peter is going to satisfied by the explanation that one killed large numbers of people with whom one had no quarrel just because world class wanker Westmoreland ordered one to do so.

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I think it was Hunter S. Thompson who said words to the effect that "If the Vietnam war was wrong, (which even Nixon himself admitted), then it is hard to defeat the logic that says it would be wrong to fight it".

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Jim,

Sounds logical to me.

Everyone,

For those so critical of the soldier on the ground, but have never served in the military. Have you ever stopped to think about what the consequences would be for a soldier to simply lay down his arms and refuse to fight? Ever hear the name Eddie Slovik? For soldiers in later conflicts, the consequences would probably not been so serious, but ask yourself the question anyway.

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reference one time in this thread where a single person said anything against the soldiers in the field.

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That's one reason I didn't go in. In a firefight, no way can you hesitate, have second thoughts. You don't have to be a vet to get that. I was conflicted on the whole purpose, could easily have been a danger to myself and others.

In WW2, soldiers knew the stakes, knew that the enemy could and would go after their family back home if they were victorious. Probably why a lot of vets opposed Vietnam, they knew that if one was going to take that kind of risk,was going to dole out death to the enemy, there had better be a very good reason.

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Reduced to name calling as you're out of reason.
Kinda sad really.

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I should give it up. Not likely to change. Vets from Vietnam are going to remember real or symbolic spitting and be bitter til the end. Not all of course. Plenty of Vietnam vets get that the war was a mistake.

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One thing I have found that is helpful to Viet-Nam Vets and a lot of fun to boot is to ask them about the crazy stuff they did while they were there because everyone has some sort of story to tell.

A Commander told me just the other day that the first day he was there he was told he had to go to the DMZ and inspect something. A boat was made ready for him and he was being treated like it was a big deal. He said he was impressed with the respect the Sailors under his command were showing him.

Until he got there and found the ship was a Mine Sweeper and it was going up the river anyway. They put 'a rifle' in his hands, something he had very little experience with, and was told to shoot the mines as they popped up.

None did and to this day he does not know if they were really minesweeping or just having fun with the Old Man.

No one wants to remember being almost killed, but I have yet to talk to a Viet-Nam Vet that says they did not enjoy some of their time 'in country'.

My father and all my uncles fought in WW2 and Korea. I remember one uncle, who was Army in one conflict and a decorated Marine in the other, breaking down in tears and begging his son not to enlist during Viet Nam. Offered to hide him in Mexico. He joined anyhow, did two tours and was a mess for years afterwards. We were real close before he left for the service, but after he came home we just couldn't find any common ground. I have probably seen him half a dozen times in the last 30 years.

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I had a very similar experience with a cousin. We were close in age ( 6 weeks apart), and grew up more like brothers than cousins. He went to 'Nam, got a fortunate injury, and was sent home on a medical discharge. Since his return, we had very little in common; he seemed changed, and a little bitter. Haven't seem each other much in 40 years.

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You hear a lot of stories like that, but I do know one guy who was drafted, went, saw a lot of combat, and when he got home took the attitude that there was a year of his life he would never get back. And then he moved on.

But then he was pretty weird when he went in, so it was hard to see any difference in him when he came back.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/05/139946-time-army-ranger-tweets-perfect-bringbackourgirls-response/

Can't wait for social media to respond.

I don't mind people living good and moral lives. I do mind when they start telling me that I am a terrible person that works in a terrible industry which is working to overthrow everything that is good and decent in this country and perhaps we would all be better off if I would just move to North Korea or somewhere.

But somehow people who consider themselves as living good and moral lives are not happy unless everyone is living good and moral lives of which they are the sole judge of results. They set very high standards of living for everyone except other Conservatives who, as everyone knows, need to be forgiven when they are caught not living a good and moral life since they are Conservatives.

But then, I don't mind it much. I have only been hearing that the entertainment business is set on the destruction of America for about the last 50 years, and this has led me to wonder: If that's what everyone in film and television is working towards...... We are doing a pretty poor job of it.

Could be worse, try working in health insurance!


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