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06-02-2014, 11:31 PM
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Argument with a eBay Seller
This is the item the Seller is selling
The AD So to believe the above Ad you would have to believe that the Japanese Manufactured a crude Copy of a Kabar type Knife and stamped SOLING JAPAN on it. I sent him the Following: Dear leftie224, Vietnam Era SOLING JAPAN (copy of) MK2 Fighting KNIFE You are looking at a 1960's vintage, Soling Japan MK2 fighting. These MK2 type Japan made knives were commonly used in Vietnam. *BLADE: 6" long, very sharp *HANDLE: leather multi-spacers *FITTINGS: Steel guard and butt *OVERALL LENGTH: 10 1/4" The above is someone elses Ad for the same Knife. Even this Ad is highley speculating use in Vietnam. The real Military Kabar type Knives have the leather Handle impregnatied with some anti fungal stuff so the leather does not rot. Unless you were in the Highlands of Vietnam the Leather Handle would not last. A google image sharch for Soling Japan shows that they made verious Sporting Goods including Knives in the 1960s when Made in Japan meant something cheap. You used to see Ads for the same knife in Field and Stream Magazine when I was a Kid in the 1960s. Also the Kbar Knives were not designed till after WWII Started and a Jap WWII Knife would have Jap Language/Aresnal marks on it. Seller: I cannot debate a knowitall........ but why the hell are you talking about a kabar knife ?? Why not not about WW a U.S. Camillus WWII Knife,,,,,,,,,, which has a identcal stacked leather handle,,,,,,,, or leather handles on a cattaraugus ? Or are they highly Dear leftie224, Until My Collection was stolen I was a Collector of Bayonets an Military Knives. I really hate to see some Ad I know is BS; however I take in to account that a lot of eBay Sellers sell stuff they don't have knowlege of; meaning I try to believe the Sellers have good intent and are not lieing just to inflate the Price. The U.S,N Mark 2 and it was designed by Cammillus for the Marine Corps and used by them and also the Navy. During WWII bunch of other Campanies including Kabar made the knife. For some reason the Kabar name stuck and that type of Knife became gnerically called a Kabar no matter what comapny made it. Kabar also made a smaller different type of Knife for the Navy. WWII Makers Camillus, Robertson, PAL and of course Kabar. Notice there is no SOLING JAPAN in the WWII makeres. This is not My no-it-all it is from a Collectors Book-US Military Knives Bayonets & Macheteies by the well Respected Athourity H.M. Cole. WWII Knife Blades have that shades of gray Parkerized Finish like the Bayonets and the Leather Handles were Brown and remaind that way util some time in the 1960s when the started using a Black Finish on the Metal and the handles. If you have a Knife and the Metal is finised Black it is not a WWII Knife. Camillus, Utica and Conetta made the after WWII Knives. Sometime in the 1970s onward Onterio Knive was the last maker (Onterio Knive used to be Robertson). This info is can be found on the Internet. There is a lot of copies of the Kabar type knives and People in the Military also buy private purchase Knives from the PX or some place else. As I did when I was in the Army as unlike the Marine Corps the Army in My time did not issue Fighting Knives Seller: ACTUALLY< Kabar was first issued with no protective finish, then after a short time, problems of corrosion, and being too shiny, ( visibility) They began using the coatings, hence the use MARKII. 2nd version. Thers been more prototypes tried during the war, nothing more than the can opener ! Lets see what you do know, what is a kabar having a brown finish ? PLUS, dont put down people on ebay for whatever there methods are, there knowledge or lack of, in the world of collectibles, its always been buyer beware. Buying and selling is nothing more than making money from someone elses ignorance. And if you say you dont participate in that,,,,,,,, lol, your driving down the street and sto at a grage sale of a little old lady seeling her husbands things after he just died of of a heart attack while taking viagra. ( little old lady dont look that bad ) she is selling his things, his randall brand WWII knife for $5.00 as you pick it up she proceeds to tell you how she hated having that thing around for all thses years. NOW, you know where I am going here, do you buy it ? OF COURSE YOU DO,,,,,,,,and as your giving her the 5 dollars, the electric company just pulled up to shut of her electricity. Dear leftie224, As far as baldes with no finish on them all of the Kinfe makers have had examples of that turn up even after they were parkerizing them so that did happen. But, none of what you have mentioned turns your Knife into one that was made in WWII. At first I thought it could have been a lack of knowledge on your part and you were just mistaken but I guess that was not so. Does all of Your displayed knowledge mean you know You purposely are misrepresenting the Knife you are selling? When called on that situation your defense is that other People would take advantage of a sucker so you feel you might as well do it to. I have done bad things in My Life but I don't try to justify them and have always worked hard to make sure the occasional bad or immoral thing does not be come a way of life. What other People do or do not do does not determine My Morality because I have to live with My own Conscience. Do Cheaters/Conmen really prosper? I will never know because I am neither of those. Concerning the Old Lady Example I would certanily feel better later If I had told the Old Lady She had a valuable Collectors Item then if I had bought it; I would feel that that was the right thing to have done. If I had bought it cheap I would always be thinking I had not done the right thing and that would take some of the joy away from owning it. You could also get creative and tell the Old Lady it is valuable and offer to sell it for Her if She would split the Profit after expenses. That could lead to Her having you sell more of Her stuff and telling Her Old Lady Friends and more deals and you could end up a bunch more stuff to sell. I wish eBay had a panel of Experts on Collectables and so on so they could Monitor the Sellers claims. In the 8 Year I have been frequenting eBay they cleaned out or straightned out a lot of those sellers that were grossly screwing the Customers. Perhaps they will eventually get to Collectables and do the same. Seller: ding dong, they do have a panel of experts, and I am on it. Remember ding, you rang my door bell, drunk, but rang it nevertheless.......... or are you the kind of little boy that rings the bell, then runs and hides. You sound like a blatz beer drinker ? whats your brand ? Dear leftie224, They would need Unbiased Experts that care about protecting the Customers; I don't think you would qualify concerning the unbiased part. The above is as far as the argument has gone. To Me it is clear He is trying to sell the 1960s made in Japan (when made in Japan meant cheap) as a rare WWII Knife and knows that He is doing that. I am no expert but used to collect and I hate seeing someone stick this Junk on a less knowledgeable Newbie so I am taking the time to let Him know that some People know better. Off subject but note how the Sellers Argument is similar to many on this forum where lacking facts and avoiding having to answer the Seller choses to try to divert the Issue by name calling. Also is there really such a Beer as Baltz Beer?
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