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aklim 08-10-2014 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe (Post 3371161)
Tragic.

The guy that was so tough in confronting Stewart's car, chickened out and was trying to get out of the way at the last second, but his temper couldn't get him out of the situation that he placed himself in by getting in front of Stewart's car. The guy got hiself killed, plain and simple.
Do stupid things and you get killed is one thing but for me to call that tragic, it would require more than that. It would be tragic if the accident caused him to die but after the accident, going out onto the track was just begging for something bad to happen. Hard for me to call that tragic.

aklim 08-10-2014 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 3371165)
He was a complete dumbass but I'm not ready to give Stewart a pass. I watched the part just before the collision (2nd, fatal) and I think I can hear the engine rev up while the guy is still standing. Very strange. Word I read is that there was bad blood between them.
Not sure exactly whether he revved it up to move around and was inconsiderate, tried to spray dirt and it went wrong or actually made a run for Ward. When the forensics come out, it will show, I suspect. Should Stewart be given a pass? No, but we can't really be sure till we know the facts nor should we just hang Stewart till we know for sure.

aklim 08-10-2014 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by spdrun (Post 3371177)
Why not wait till everyone is done racing then punch his lights out? Practically, you won't win against a car going 60, though if you're 20, beating the crap out of a chubby guy over 40 might be easier.
Dunno if he is as tough as you and can simply intimidate the person of his choice into curling up in a ball and letting him hit away. I don't get physical unless I have to so I will defer to you on that but I suspect that someone you hit could get up and do some damage. Besides, it could be a career suicide move for a nobody to whack someone much higher up in the food chain. The only difference between what happened and what you suggest is that one kills his career and the other, in this case, took his life. Both stupid.

JB3 08-10-2014 10:59 PM
impossible to tell from that vid anything about stewarts intentions, angle is all wrong. dumbass kid running around on a dirt track at night in a black suit. how stupid can you get. chances are stewart saw him late.

also im not sure i saw contact in the beginning for the cause of the wreck

aklim 08-10-2014 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe (Post 3371279)
Wrong. -It wasn't an "accident."

The meathead, with forethought and malice, charged Stewart's car, (watch the video) then was desperately trying to get out of the way when he saw his a** was going to get hit by the car he was rushing. That was not an "accident," as you put it. That was a willful attack and a malicious deed rushing Stewart's car. He must've been too stoopid to realize his deed was going to get hiself killed. I would surmise that he thought that he could do battle with Stewart, via proxy charging Stewart's car. The guy was wearing black, a helmet, and charged a race car. Stewart, OR ANY DRIVER, had no reasonable expectation to even think his race car would be rushed by a man in black, Tony had just enough time to think; WTF?! then boom, it was over. Just tragic.
But how is it tragic?

cmac2012 08-11-2014 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe (Post 3371279)
Wrong. -It wasn't an "accident."

The meathead, with forethought and malice, charged Stewart's car, (watch the video) then was desperately trying to get out of the way when he saw his a** was going to get hit by the car he was rushing. That was not an "accident," as you put it. That was a willful attack and a malicious deed rushing Stewart's car. He must've been too stoopid to realize his deed was going to get hiself killed. I would surmise that he thought that he could do battle with Stewart, via proxy charging Stewart's car. The guy was wearing black, a helmet, and charged a race car. Stewart, OR ANY DRIVER, had no reasonable expectation to even think his race car would be rushed by a man in black, Tony had just enough time to think; WTF?! then boom, it was over. Just tragic.

What, did the camera have night vision lenses? The camera saw him pretty well. I think he probably meant to spray dirt but wasn't as good at it as he thought.

This could be an answer to a physics question: what happens when two hotheads collide?

t walgamuth 08-11-2014 06:57 AM
Too bad this happened. Tony has been a big supporter of Sprint car racing which in recent years has suffered from some malaise.

JamesDean 08-11-2014 12:25 PM
Can we say Tony revved his engine? I mean the video was taken from the stands on another area of the track. Would there not have been cars nearer to the camera than Tony's?

cmac2012 08-11-2014 01:28 PM
The movement of his car, the fishtail action, seems to match the engine noise.

DieselPaul 08-11-2014 01:33 PM
Nothing legal will become of this and the civil suit will settle out of court.

Kid should have never gotten out of the car.

cmac2012 08-11-2014 01:59 PM
Agree that it's highly doubtful any legal action will take place. The bigger question for me is how will the public and sponsors react to this? I don't think Stewart comes out of this smelling like a rose.

link 08-11-2014 02:11 PM
Tragic accident. The victim most likely suffered an overdose of impact induced adrenalin leading to fatally bad judgment.

How many people have been hit by another vehicle and that caused a form of rage? That appears to be the sequence of events.

spdrun 08-11-2014 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 3371259)
Dunno if he is as tough as you and can simply intimidate the person of his choice into curling up in a ball and letting him hit away. I don't get physical unless I have to so I will defer to you on that but I suspect that someone you hit could get up and do some damage. Besides, it could be a career suicide move for a nobody to whack someone much higher up in the food chain. The only difference between what happened and what you suggest is that one kills his career and the other, in this case, took his life. Both stupid.
Point being, that if Ward has saved it for the pits, he'd still be alive.

cmac2012 08-11-2014 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by link (Post 3371498)
Tragic accident. The victim most likely suffered an overdose of impact induced adrenalin leading to fatally bad judgment.

How many people have been hit by another vehicle and that caused a form of rage? That appears to be the sequence of events.
I don't think anybody disputes that. The question is what sort of rage induced faulty judgment did Stewart engage in? Or not engage in.

link 08-11-2014 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 3371506)
I don't think anybody disputes that. The question is what sort of rage induced faulty judgment did Stewart engage in? Or not engage in.
^Thank you captain obvious.

There was no event malfeasance on Stewart's part. Some will project whatever they want to believe. If Stewart has a competent PR man it will be forgotten in a week or 2.

Crap happens on race courses and only insanely and stupidly bad judgment would motivate anyone to put themself in traffic on foot. It's world class stupid to do so on a dirt track.


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