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Old 09-19-2014, 01:36 PM
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Adjusting For Inflation

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But first, let's take a ride...back to 1989.

Back then, the cheapest Accord sedan had just 98-horsepower, hand-crank windows, no AC, and retailed for $11,770.



More hp, more options . . . better mpg.
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But without the extra wh*repower, pigfat for safety, electronic crapola, nanny crapola, etc, the car would be lighter and even more efficient. Take a late 80s car and put a drivetrain with modern electronic controls in and you'd end up with something more efficient than sold today.

Interestingly, I've been driving a car with crank windows (a rental Versa sedan) for the last two weeks, so they still exist.
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Adjusted for inflation, cars cost about the same now as they did decades ago. All the objective measurements look better on the new cars. However, they're less fun to drive.

I wonder how much a new Model A Ford would cost today if they were mass produced in a low wage country like China.

As for getting rid of all the unnecessary garbage that goes into new cars, the easy way is to lose two wheels and get a motorcycle. The regulators haven't gone crazy on them (yet) so you can still buy a new vehicle for about five thousand dollars with peppy performance and 60+ mpg. Or you can get one for twenty grand that only gets 35 but will outrun anything short of an Enzo.
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Old 09-19-2014, 05:58 PM
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I'm hoping that car the Elio gets made.
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Old 09-19-2014, 06:07 PM
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The manual window in my toyota failed. I fixed it with a 2 dollar plastic gizmo. The power window in the wife's Element failed. Three hundred bucks. I was at a chevy dealership not long ago, asking about fleet pickup trucks. Said I wanted a base model 4wd half ton with air, crank windows, a stick and vinyl floormats. A work truck. According to the salesman, it can't be done. Uncarpeted floors and crank windows, never mind non-plush upholstery you savage, are things of the past. Maybe he just didn't want to find me one, but it sure sounded like he meant it. Makes restoring grandpa's F100 out in the barn seem like a worthwhile thing...
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The manual window in my toyota failed. I fixed it with a 2 dollar plastic gizmo. The power window in the wife's Element failed. Three hundred bucks. I was at a chevy dealership not long ago, asking about fleet pickup trucks. Said I wanted a base model 4wd half ton with air, crank windows, a stick and vinyl floormats. A work truck. According to the salesman, it can't be done. Uncarpeted floors and crank windows, never mind non-plush upholstery you savage, are things of the past. Maybe he just didn't want to find me one, but it sure sounded like he meant it. Makes restoring grandpa's F100 out in the barn seem like a worthwhile thing...
You may want to try asking that question in the last week of a month. If a sales person is short of a quota they may do some research to see if they can find some.
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The vid link portion won't work for me.

1989 $ 11,770.00

run through this,

CPI Inflation Calculator

gives 2014 $22,576.76
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But without the extra wh*repower, pigfat for safety, electronic crapola, nanny crapola, etc, the car would be lighter and even more efficient. Take a late 80s car and put a drivetrain with modern electronic controls in and you'd end up with something more efficient than sold today.
I'll take the extra wh*repower, pigfat for safety, electronic crapola, nanny crapola and be safe, happy and entertained, thank you very much. Theres a few million dead people from the 1980s who would love to have a word with you, if they weren't dead.
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Interestingly, I've been driving a car with crank windows (a rental Versa sedan) for the last two weeks, so they still exist.
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All the objective measurements look better on the new cars. However, they're less fun to drive.
I'm sorry, were you saying something? I couldn't hear you over all the fun that isn't happening.

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You may want to try asking that question in the last week of a month. If a sales person is short of a quota they may do some research to see if they can find some.
Good tip. I see they can be configured, at least close on the chevy fleet website. Don't see a stick option at all though.
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I'll take the extra wh*repower, pigfat for safety, electronic crapola, nanny crapola and be safe, happy and entertained, thank you very much. Theres a few million dead people from the 1980s who would love to have a word with you, if they weren't dead.

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I'm sorry, were you saying something? I couldn't hear you over all the fun that isn't happening.
Risk of death is part of life. I find a NA Miata (light, simple, noisy) a lot more entertaining than any modern over computerized overweight rolling fat farm can ever hope to be. Oh, and f--k a modern Queefmaro. Sensory deprivation crapbox with no side windows to speak of.
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Sensory deprivation crapbox. I have heard there are and would love to experience owning a vehicle in which one can hear one's own thoughts, or the radio for that matter.
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Sensory deprivation crapbox. I have heard there are and would love to experience owning a vehicle in which one can hear one's own thoughts, or the radio for that matter.
BTDT, highly overrated. I found deleting the muffler and resonator on my old Lincoln Town Car made it considerably more enjoyable to drive. Same with going to duals and cheap glasspacks on my old Montego. Cutting off the entire exhaust system under the front passenger seat in my Buick was a bit much, but still better than stock. I can't believe I haven't shredded the exhaust system on my 300D yet.
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The rate of inflation varies depending on the category. I expect that too much competition in the new car field has held prices down. It somewhat also suprises me that greater efforts where not taken to integrate a lot of car brands to lessen the competition. Maybe this is in the future.

Without excess competition I have no ideal what we would have to pay for new cars today. What is even worse consumers seem to have lost some judgement. Better cars can cost substantially less overall .

For example as the Honda accord was mentioned. We do not own one incidentally The much higher value on resale usually is large enough to well offset the additional initial purchase cost if any. This compared with the vast majority of brands. Compound this with a far less over the miles maintainence cost. It is actually a steal compared to the majority of brands. Same seems to apply to Toyota products to some extent.

As for many things I have to buy in the building field most have heavily inflated. As well inferior products added as substitutes to the market in the same period in the higher price catagories. Today I am using much inferior plywood at a lot more per sheet cost. The plywood market suppliers for here have shifted to south America and the Baltic states for much I use. Mind that constant regulatory changes substantially increase costs . Manipulation of almost everything is a reality or becoming so.

The wife says occasionally the groceries are way up . We do not in general track the cost of our food at all. Do we have twice as much money clear in overall income per month as back then? Funny I really cannot answer that as our income varied frequently a lot back them. I do seriously doubt it was anywhere near only half as much.

Utilities have jumped far more than double at our location since 89 though. Once a total incidental they are now a signifigant item. Property taxes based on heavily increased current property valuations are also up signifigantly. Phone and communication household costs where maybe seven dollars a month or so. Today in excess of two hundred with all the add ons we seem to need today.

The one item I think that has been well below the suggested to me at least flawed official inflation rate is insurance costs. Both property and automotive. They do not seem to have jumped that much.

Heating costs easily passed the official rate of inflation. About that time we burnt 500 gallons of fuel oil during the harder months of winter and it did not bother us. This was in a large house of two apartments we rented out. Today that amount of fuel oil would be over 2,500 a month here in eastern Canada.

At our advancing age not much of it is relavent anymore. Other than how this continuous trend may afflict our children, grandchildren, plus people in general after we are gone.

All in all the wife and myself had an easier ride than the younger generations seem to be having. Maybe we had lesser expectations. Still the wives in general stayed home with the kids and one salary was enough Today that seems to be pretty much history. Most women we know work out as well . For quite some time actually. Yet the average families today seem little better off if any overall than we were.

Try to remember my generation did not need to carry debt basically. Even if there was a mortgage it was usually small and easily serviced. I feel the easy credit today has a lot to do with excess inflation. It may be about the only component that keeps things going in general today at the same time. Perhaps even is hiding some of the more serious realities of the current times.
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The manual window in my toyota failed. I fixed it with a 2 dollar plastic gizmo. The power window in the wife's Element failed. Three hundred bucks. I was at a chevy dealership not long ago, asking about fleet pickup trucks. Said I wanted a base model 4wd half ton with air, crank windows, a stick and vinyl floormats. A work truck. According to the salesman, it can't be done. Uncarpeted floors and crank windows, never mind non-plush upholstery you savage, are things of the past. Maybe he just didn't want to find me one, but it sure sounded like he meant it. Makes restoring grandpa's F100 out in the barn seem like a worthwhile thing...
Other than a manual all of the big three make trucks like that, currently their are probably about 100k+ listed on Autotrader.

$18k for 2wd, 4wd starts in the low $20k range.

IMHO crank windows suck on a truck, they are to wide, I cannot wait until I get power windows again.

Right now the best deals can be had on the outgoing F150. A dealer in PA is selling 14's with V8, 4x4, power locks and windows, rubber floor, and vinyl seats for $23k. Can't beat that.
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Risk of death is part of life. I find a NA Miata (light, simple, noisy) a lot more entertaining than any modern over computerized overweight rolling fat farm can ever hope to be. Oh, and f--k a modern Queefmaro. Sensory deprivation crapbox with no side windows to speak of.


A Miata is a boat for wusses, nothing like open wheel pre war cars with brakes only on the back, straight cut gears, and bonus points for chain drive!

None of those fancy 12v electrical systems and electrical starters to fail, real men hand crank their engines!
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