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Old 06-10-2018, 11:15 AM
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The amazing thing is these cars aren't awaiting the crusher or a fix for the emissions problem, they are to be shipped to somewhere with less stringent emission standards.


https://qz.com/1241214/photos-volkswagen-has-bought-back-thousands-of-diesel-cars-in-the-us-heres-what-that-looks-like/

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Old 06-10-2018, 11:52 AM
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Whats amazing about this? They meet the standards elsewhere, only difference elsewhere, they're used cars, , , , ,

(I would assume they sell them as used)
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Old 06-10-2018, 02:13 PM
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Whats amazing about this? They meet the standards elsewhere, only difference elsewhere, they're used cars, , , , ,

(I would assume they sell them as used)

Probably conforms to the letter of the law but certainly not to the spirit of the law.
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Old 06-11-2018, 07:41 AM
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The amazing thing is these cars aren't awaiting the crusher or a fix for the emissions problem, they are to be shipped to somewhere with less stringent emission standards.


https://qz.com/1241214/photos-volkswagen-has-bought-back-thousands-of-diesel-cars-in-the-us-heres-what-that-looks-like/
The amazing thing is you believe that even though its been specifically forbidden by the court and well documented.

The cars must be brought up to US emission standards, or destroyed. They cannot be shipped out of the country and resold unchanged.
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Old 06-11-2018, 10:34 AM
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The amazing thing is you believe that even though its been specifically forbidden by the court and well documented.

The cars must be brought up to US emission standards, or destroyed. They cannot be shipped out of the country and resold unchanged.
...and is that by law or some agreement between VW and the EPA?
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Old 06-11-2018, 01:49 PM
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VW ran a scam, deceiving the EPA and their customers. I hope they lose their butt on these cars. I expect that they are not serious polluters, but when you practice to deceive, you should be prepared to suffer the consequences. I hope they have to crush them all at. Serious expense. I have no tolerance for dishonest people or organizations. If they go broke tomorrow, I will shed no tears. If any other company tries this kind of deceit, I hope they get caught and go broke too.
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Old 06-11-2018, 02:32 PM
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VW ran a scam, deceiving the EPA and their customers. I hope they lose their butt on these cars. I expect that they are not serious polluters, but when you practice to deceive, you should be prepared to suffer the consequences. I hope they have to crush them all at. Serious expense. I have no tolerance for dishonest people or organizations. If they go broke tomorrow, I will shed no tears. If any other company tries this kind of deceit, I hope they get caught and go broke too.
so you like the epa standards?
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Old 06-11-2018, 06:23 PM
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so you like the epa standards?
Well in this case California AQMD said the road test NOX was 40 times the static test so it's pretty dirty.
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I lived overseas a lot when I was young.
Other countries did not have 'sell by dates' on products. Used to see lots of expired US products for sale.
My understanding from a TDI owner that took the trade on her old car for a new Passat diesel was that VW is repairing and then going to resell used cars, that they just dont have the staff to bang them out fast enough.
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Old 06-12-2018, 10:17 AM
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I have no tolerance for dishonest people or organizations. If they go broke tomorrow, I will shed no tears. If any other company tries this kind of deceit, I hope they get caught and go broke too.

Hold that thought:


https://phys.org/news/2018-06-germany-recall-daimler-cars-europe.html
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:33 AM
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...and is that by law or some agreement between VW and the EPA?
Court settlement so by law.
All these documents are publicly available, there was some fudging of acceptable standards for VWs benefit, but they cant be shipped out of the country unmodified.

That is exactly why they are all sitting there still. Otherwise they would be gone by now
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I read somewhere they could sell the cars if they can be bought up to code, so to speak.

But to do so will they still be something people want to buy? Folks bought these for all sorts of reasons, mostly MPG. But if they can't deliver on the MPG will they still be purchased?

VW will have to reprogram each car since this is a software thing, but will they then have to sell them for 50% of what they are worth? Or will they be more in line with the used price of a gas VW?
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Old 06-13-2018, 09:27 PM
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I imagine the discounts will be deep.
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:28 PM
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If the discount is deep enough, might be worth the loss of milage. Of course, it's only software.....I imagine there will be those ready to "fix it"
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Old 06-14-2018, 12:20 AM
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They have offered me a fix that will make my Jetta legal. I may go ahead and do it. It sounds pretty invisible to performance.

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