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Old 05-26-2020, 07:38 AM
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Gotta be honest.

Why should we care (spend the funds) about this right now?
What's out ROI?
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Old 05-26-2020, 11:39 AM
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What's out ROI?
Not being a loser third world nation in the future.

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Old 05-26-2020, 12:06 PM
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Not being a loser third world nation in the future.

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My view is that a lot of consumer products came from space exploration, including Tang. A lot of advancements also came from wars. So, the space option is a better choice.
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Old 05-26-2020, 12:15 PM
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My view is that a lot of consumer products came from space exploration, including Tang. A lot of advancements also came from wars. So, the space option is a better choice.
I don't care about ROI. This is not about commerce. It's about something way bigger than that.

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Old 05-27-2020, 07:45 AM
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I don't care about ROI. This is not about commerce. It's about something way bigger than that.

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But you have to sell it. And Rocky's post points out the revenue stream. Take sports fishing. Its a multi Billion a year industry. Even the manufactures put in money through a tax on equipment sold. They requested that. But I do agree the space program inspires many. HAL would approve.
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Old 05-27-2020, 10:53 AM
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But you have to sell it. And Rocky's post points out the revenue stream. Take sports fishing. Its a multi Billion a year industry. Even the manufactures put in money through a tax on equipment sold. They requested that. But I do agree the space program inspires many. HAL would approve.
It's the same now as it was back in the 60's. Not losing out to our enemies in global dominanance is the selling point. ROI is merely an incidental side benifet.

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Old 05-28-2020, 12:06 PM
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It's the same now as it was back in the 60's. Not losing out to our enemies in global dominanance is the selling point. ROI is merely an incidental side benifet.

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Speaking of ROI, other than a government subsidy of 5 billion or so Space X has been privately funded......
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Old 05-28-2020, 02:00 PM
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My view is that a lot of consumer products came from space exploration, including Tang. A lot of advancements also came from wars. So, the space option is a better choice.
Tang! Oh dear God, imagine life w/o Tang!

Putting satellites into orbit is the only benefit I can see. That and robotic missions. Sending people back to the moon and oneday Mars strikes me as a huge waste of money.

Re the fever to go back to the moon, the moon is about the most unpleasant place that we know of for humans and human machines. Coated with abrasive dust from hell, I understand the damned stuff hangs in the air from static electricity. Is bad for rubber seals, it adheres to boots and every other part of space suits, will be brought back in the habitable spaces and find it's way into lungs. Stuff is microscopic razor blades, having never suffered erosion and degradation from water.

The chances of finding useful/recoverable minerals are about zero and the cost of getting them up and back to earth even if they were there in good quantity is enormous.

If one assumed that we still had the space shuttle program and further that it could land on and then take off from the moon (we don't/it couldn't), further if we assumed gold bricks were neatly stacked on the surface waiting to be loaded into the hold, the value of the gold would be similar to what we used to spend just putting a shuttle into orbit and getting it back again. I did the math once, don't want to do it again.
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Old 05-28-2020, 05:00 PM
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Tang! Oh dear God, imagine life w/o Tang!

Putting satellites into orbit is the only benefit I can see. That and robotic missions. Sending people back to the moon and oneday Mars strikes me as a huge waste of money.

Re the fever to go back to the moon, the moon is about the most unpleasant place that we know of for humans and human machines. Coated with abrasive dust from hell, I understand the damned stuff hangs in the air from static electricity. Is bad for rubber seals, it adheres to boots and every other part of space suits, will be brought back in the habitable spaces and find it's way into lungs. Stuff is microscopic razor blades, having never suffered erosion and degradation from water.

The chances of finding useful/recoverable minerals are about zero and the cost of getting them up and back to earth even if they were there in good quantity is enormous.

If one assumed that we still had the space shuttle program and further that it could land on and then take off from the moon (we don't/it couldn't), further if we assumed gold bricks were neatly stacked on the surface waiting to be loaded into the hold, the value of the gold would be similar to what we used to spend just putting a shuttle into orbit and getting it back again. I did the math once, don't want to do it again.
At some point, we will probably have to leave this rock. Exploration is what man has always done. Whether it be to the depth of the ocean or the outer reaches of space. No way to know what gains will be made by doing so.
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Old 05-31-2020, 02:13 PM
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At some point, we will probably have to leave this rock. Exploration is what man has always done. Whether it be to the depth of the ocean or the outer reaches of space. No way to know what gains will be made by doing so.
Correct. It was great to watch. Fantastic job. Hope they can maintain reliability moving forward.

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Old 05-31-2020, 02:50 PM
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Post The R.O.I.

Typical ignorant trolling post and non question .

The R.O.I. has been huge, you're trolling using it you moron .

I miss Tang, no one carries it anymore .
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